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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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fade to black bespoke radio

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for the masses

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uh yeah man i just love

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saying that today is tuesday

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april 27 2021 118 days into the new year

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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that's right a total undisclosed

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top secret but it is beautiful

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjcr

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the game changer network and kgra

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the planets i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody

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how you doing how are you doing

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tonight right here on fade to black

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very special guest micah hanks of the

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debris

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and a lot like with uh uh mike rick

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sucker last night micah is a show host

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he's a professional radio guy been at

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he's he's bright he's smart he's

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educated he's a musician

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he knows his stuff and and he can carry

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i just have to just kick back ask me two

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micah go and we're gonna do that tonight

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and uh micah hanks is with us once again

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around the world and of course with our

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ufo community so that is tonight

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just like micah this is a very highly

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micah tomorrow night richard dolan

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and i am the host of it

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i can't believe what we are able to pull

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hanks is with us

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and uh i just want to get a few things

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i want you to go over this is a billy

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carson's one year anniversary for his

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television network forbidden knowledge

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dot tv

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and all month he is giving away

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a 30 day free trial membership for bit

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links over at jimmychurchradio.com it's

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easy to get to forbidden knowledge dot

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tv get over there

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get registered and look at the thousands

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of programs he's got over there it's

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billy's going to be with us

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at the ufo megacon which is coming up

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nevada mike ricksucker oddly enough

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billy on the show because he's got

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next week and we were talking about it

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huge announcement

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and i think we're going to be able to

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pull that off sometime next week ufo

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megacon is june 6th through the 12th

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in laughlin nevada it's a live event

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real people

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real researchers real guests real panels

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real you right at the aquarius hotel and

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casino so i want you to head over to

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jimmychurchradio.com click on the ufo

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megacon banner that is right there

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get over to the site and get registered

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and get your tickets now this is going

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to be a full-on feed or not event

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and i am so looking forward to that

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all right uh let's see look at the clock

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i'm a little ahead of schedule so let me

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carolyn ford here this is carolyn ford

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when i say einstein the crystalskull.com

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this is a baby einstein

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everybody that's a baby einstein you get

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a baby einstein carved in the image of

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einsteins come with their own pillow so

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they sit like this this is baby einstein

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charged and sit in the presence of the

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baby einstein

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einstein the crystal skull icon promo

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code

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today follow me on twitter

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at j church radio just start right there

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facebook list i unfriended 500 people

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the breaking news

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the tourism and antiquities ministry

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in egypt in march uh with billy carson

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forward to that and i want to go to this

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the graves some of which have human

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inside this is where this gets really

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interesting and i want you to listen to

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what i have to say

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they were found at coombe l coogan

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archaeological site

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listen to this they include 68

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oval-shaped tombs dating back

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holy crap the remaining five oval-shaped

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that spanned around 3200 to 3000 bc

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that's pre-dynastic period

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that's before mene the first king of

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egypt upper and lower egypt united many

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that was at 3000 bc that's when the

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and all of the history that is just when

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started right there 3000 bc

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this goes from 6 000 to 3000 bc it's an

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absolute tremendous archaeological find

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incredible millions of people stuck at

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home for more than a year are expected

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to hit the road for much-needed post

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pandemic vacations they're going to do

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all of that this summer

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but it's now being reported you're going

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to have to have some good luck to find

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gas not that there's a lumen shortage

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of crude oil or gasoline rather it's the

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tanker truck drivers needed to deliver

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the gas to stations

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who are in short supply according to the

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national tank truck carriers the

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industry's trade group

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somewhere between 20 and 25 percent of

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tank trucks in the fleet are

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parked that's right all of this heading

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into the summer due to

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a possibility of qualified drivers

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at this point in 2019 only 10 percent of

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trucks were sitting idle for that reason

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no gas that's crazy

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well it went down yesterday

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now uh

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spacex elon musk

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the ceo took to twitter last night

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and took a swipe at jeff bezos

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responding to a new york times report

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that his aerospace company blue origin

307
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i'm talking about bezos

308
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had filed a complaint with nasa after

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the space agency awarded a 2.9

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billion dollar contract to construct a

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moon lander

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and they did all of this for elon musk

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and his company

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all right so elon last night

315
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posted this on twitter he said can't

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get it up to orbit

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lol and quote that's pretty suggestive

318
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right and then he followed that up with

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an even more risque

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post refashioning blue origin's name

321
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to blue balls

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blue balls uh with

323
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some pretty crude photoshop work but he

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did it

325
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that's right it all happened yesterday

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you can go look at the tweets yourself

327
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it's pretty funny

328
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you just can't make up you know you get

329
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that

330
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rich and then you start comparing

331
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men's private part i don't know i don't

332
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know i'm just gonna let that go right

333
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there let's get to show cracking happy

334
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birthday to today

335
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ace freely ace freely is 70.

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the b-52's kate pearson

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today is 73 years old and sheena easton

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for your eyes only today is 62. i love

339
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that song i loved her

340
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her uh her ability to do a james bond

341
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theme song it was great

342
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our dead guy's birthday today is moment

343
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of silence please

344
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so sad pete hamm 1947 and 1975 died at

345
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the age of 27

346
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pete was a singer songwriter guitarist

347
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for badfinger whose hits included

348
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come and get it right i think paul

349
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,040
mccartney wrote that for him

350
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no matter what another excellent song

351
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one of the best day after day

352
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how about baby blue he also co-wrote the

353
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ballad without you

354
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a worldwide number one hit for harry

355
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nilsson

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pete committed suicide in 1975 at the

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age of 27

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when he became depressed while embroiled

359
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in band related issues

360
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record label and management problems as

361
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well as

362
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being broke the emotional scar of his

363
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death left

364
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badfinger uh and there are other guitars

365
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former bandmate tom evans who committed

366
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suicide in 1983.

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absolute tragic bad finger today had

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pete ham

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realized how great

370
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bad finger was and their legacy and what

371
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they meant to music because today

372
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bad finger to me just one of the

373
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greatest bands that

374
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ever was and he committed suicide at the

375
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age of 27.

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4977 bc

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the universe was created

378
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nah not really but it was according to

379
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german mathematician and astronomer

380
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johannes kepler

381
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considered a founder of modern science

382
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kepler is best known for his theories

383
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explaining the motion of planets

384
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and his calculations said the universe

385
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:24,950
13.75

386
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billion years fader fact a

387
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:31,840
2020 audit this is fact this is vetted

388
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a 2020 audit found that ellen degeneres

389
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and kim kardashian rank among the

390
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highest for fake

391
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,400
followers in social media how many are

392
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fake

393
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wait for it over

394
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50 percent and that

395
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,799
is your favorite fact i got 100 million

396
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:56,000
followers this is

397
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:00,160
great i got 100 million followers

398
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,360
half of them are fake

399
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:05,200
how depressed would they be oh you mean

400
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,640
i've only got 50 million

401
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,960
i'm just saying rant let me go straight

402
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,200
to it

403
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:16,000
river moon coffee rivermoonwellness.com

404
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:17,280
i know the advertising that we're

405
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,240
running right now still

406
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,960
says rivermooncoffee.com it'll probably

407
00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:22,720
steer you to river moon wellness

408
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,360
but the website and you go over to

409
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,480
jimmychurchradio.com and you click it's

410
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,320
river moon wellness or it'll take you to

411
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the amazon store

412
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:32,160
either way fade to black blend best

413
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,190
so the past couple of weeks have been

414
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,360
pretty dramatic in the world of ufos no

415
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:51,990
but with all of the drama that was hyped

416
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:55,280
up back on april 9th when the headline

417
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:58,880
stated all around the world missed

418
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,600
mystery wire podcast i'm quoted this is

419
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:03,039
the headline

420
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,960
mystery wire podcast pyramid shape ufos

421
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,600
swarm above navy destroyer end quote

422
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,360
that's the headline that everybody ran

423
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:12,640
with

424
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,600
and then on april 15th fox news fox news

425
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,360
ran with this

426
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,559
quote pyramid shaped ufo spotted by navy

427
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:22,559
may be the best

428
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:26,240
the world has ever seen and quote

429
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:29,840
that is the headline

430
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,200
fox news also went with this quote

431
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:36,320
quote filmmaker jeremy corbell says

432
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,280
quote this is probably the best ufo

433
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,520
military film footage certainly that

434
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:43,200
i've ever seen

435
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:46,720
but i think also that the world has ever

436
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:47,679
seen

437
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:50,799
end quote right

438
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:54,480
well since then things have calmed back

439
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:55,600
down

440
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,120
quickly now let's face it

441
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:04,320
if the u.s navy videoed actual

442
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,000
real flying pyramids this would be the

443
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:10,640
biggest story in the history of mankind

444
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,520
and the news

445
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,720
would never stop this would dominate

446
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,039
every media organization throughout the

447
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:18,799
world and it would last

448
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:22,159
probably forever

449
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,480
as in till the end of time

450
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,080
we're talking about movies books

451
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:30,640
documentaries tv series history classes

452
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:31,280
school

453
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:36,159
everything all of it would change

454
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:40,400
but it didn't happen and it has died

455
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:44,960
on the vine now you have to ask yourself

456
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:48,240
why why jimmy why did it die on the vine

457
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:52,799
dude well the answer is simple

458
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,110
there was no aliens the video was not

459
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,880
anything from beyond our solar system

460
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,240
everyone and i mean everyone who took a

461
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,159
second look at the video knows that

462
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,679
it's ours there were flashing aircraft

463
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,360
lights on the object

464
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,120
that's it there is nothing more to

465
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,480
discuss here

466
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,080
at least from a ufo et alien perspective

467
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:25,280
now to take things a step further

468
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:28,640
let me explain something and i'll be

469
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,960
perfectly clear when we are out doing a

470
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,360
sky

471
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:36,880
watch right

472
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,440
night vision goggles binoculars

473
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:44,640
naked eye whatever

474
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,480
and we are ready to go right

475
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,600
we have military-grade lasers

476
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,000
we have these at the ready to point at

477
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,919
objects in the sky so that everyone

478
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,080
knows where they are so you can say hey

479
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,440
there's an object right there and you

480
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,880
can look at it right that's that's what

481
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,600
we do

482
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,760
you know you got to be able to find them

483
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:05,520
but we do not

484
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:09,919
as in ever point them at anything

485
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:18,630
why well the basic rule is simple

486
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,720
anything with flashing lights is ours

487
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,880
and looking at them is a complete waste

488
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,080
of time

489
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,799
and secondly you do not want to point a

490
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,480
laser at a pilot

491
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,880
is very uncool first off and it could

492
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,039
have potentially hazardous and dangerous

493
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:36,880
results we know this

494
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:41,919
these are the basic rules of sky watch

495
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,669
with flashing lights with night vision

496
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:51,919
you know how long i look at that

497
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:56,320
exactly zero seconds

498
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,510
we know in the world of ufology

499
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:06,080
that flashing aircraft lights mean one

500
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:06,559
thing

501
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,080
it's not theirs that's it

502
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,360
that's it go out to a sky watch hang out

503
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,400
do it and in the darkness

504
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,200
you'll hear this repeated over and over

505
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:27,039
and over throughout the night and this

506
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:27,919
is what you're gonna hear

507
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,880
you're gonna i see something nope

508
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,720
flashing lights

509
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,159
you're in the dark you know somebody

510
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,000
over here you know

511
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,360
what's that uh flashing lights you know

512
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:40,559
then you're gonna hear stuff like you

513
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,880
know

514
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,960
don't point the laser man don't do it it

515
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,480
has flashing lights

516
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,840
this is what you do and i know that

517
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,760
there are some out there

518
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:52,320
that are laughing out loud right now

519
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,960
because

520
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,720
you know exactly what i'm talking about

521
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:56,400
this is what goes on

522
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,240
in a sky watch right and so

523
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,960
for those of you out there who thought

524
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,159
that i have been

525
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,279
uh you know jumped a little too quickly

526
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,600
at shooting down the flying pyramids

527
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:10,400
thing well

528
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,480
now you know why that's it

529
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,039
that's it with corbell trying to

530
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,799
convince the world

531
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,960
that this video was something alien

532
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,120
something e.t or unexplainable

533
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,640
is the same thing if if we were out

534
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:28,960
looking at the stars with night vision

535
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,320
and i tried to convince you that a plane

536
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,480
with flashing lights was something from

537
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,000
zeta reticuli it's just not

538
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,840
cool it's not cool and i don't want any

539
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,110
you got to listen to my words very

540
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,960
clearly here

541
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,360
yes am i calling out corbell corbell

542
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,200
wrote this

543
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,440
and and you know what and now he knows

544
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,440
he did the wrong thing

545
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,880
defending any of the

546
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,880
you cannot go back to that video and say

547
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,799
hey it's alien it's e.t

548
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,600
this is unexplainable man this is crazy

549
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,080
town

550
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,880
no it's an object in the sky with

551
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,279
flashing aircraft lights it's

552
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,480
ours it's probably from the united

553
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,320
states it's probably

554
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,000
from the united states navy dude

555
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,679
stop it i would never try to convince

556
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,480
somebody

557
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,480
that something with flashing lights on

558
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:29,760
it is

559
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,520
now i don't want any part of it i just

560
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:39,760
be very clear

561
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,559
very clear look nobody

562
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,000
and i mean nobody

563
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,039
wants anunnaki flying egyptian pyramids

564
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:52,799
harassing our navy

565
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,440
more than me i would love it

566
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,080
i would love it and i'm not joking

567
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,000
around

568
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,120
i'm being very serious right now

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but corbell's video is not

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that it's ours

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and i have nothing more to say it's just

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move along

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folks there's nothing more to see here

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got lots to talk about tonight it's

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micah hanks from the debrief we're going

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to be talking about this and a bunch of

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other stuff

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all right all right i don't know i don't

579
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know micah's position and one of the

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things about uh

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this show and doing a live show

582
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and bringing somebody on i don't have

583
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,520
i don't have questions in front of me i

584
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,039
don't do that you know that

585
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,880
i don't discuss this show with guests

586
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,720
before they come on i don't want to know

587
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,480
i want to have a natural conversation

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between two people

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and i want to hear what they have to say

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right and we're going to do that tonight

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with micah we're going to do this again

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tomorrow night

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with richard dolan and that's what fade

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to black is all about

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thursday night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

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i am your host jimmy church it's time to

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take a quick break because when i come

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back

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it's micah hanks of the debrief this is

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fade to black i'm nervous jimmy church

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in fact they're the only source my

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you should too right now save 20

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doesn't it especially now so go to

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prepare with jimmy.com and get ready

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that's prepare with jimmy.com there's no

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time to lose

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nine out of ten geneticists agree

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fade to black is not

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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to jimmy jimmychurchradio.com radio

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[Music]

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00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,640
welcome back fade to black i am your

719
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host jimmy church tonight

720
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,080
micah hanks joins us we're going to

721
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discuss the recent

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leaked us navy flying pyramids video and

723
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associated images that have been picked

724
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up by the mass media all around the

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world all that

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00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,720
and much much more it's micah that's

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what you get when micah hank stops by

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he's a writer he's a podcaster

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00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,080
he's a history fanatic he's a fan

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of history he's a science enthusiast

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00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,919
he's a tanning enthusiast and a formula

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one race car driver

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his areas of focus include current

734
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events cultural studies technology

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00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,720
unexplained phenomena

736
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and the way the futures of mankind may

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be influenced by science and innovation

738
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,359
in the coming decades he's appeared on

739
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numerous television shows radio programs

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00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,679
including coast coast am

741
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,079
caravan to midnight with john b wells

742
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,320
the history channel's guts and bolts

743
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,399
cnn radio and of course fade to black

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00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,399
he's the author of several books

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you can go to micah hanks.com you can

746
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get the complete list there it's too

747
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long for me to read

748
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and my vocabulary is not that great he

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00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:45,280
also currently hosts the micah hanks

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program

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formerly known as the graylien report in

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case you didn't know that

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micah i'm never gonna change uh that

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00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,320
drop of yours

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00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:59,119
on this program it's a total magic for

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me

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and it's gonna stay there for eternity

758
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,720
welcome back to the program micah how

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are you doing

760
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,320
i am doing great sir always them when i

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am here with you

762
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,280
and the rest of the fader knots so how

763
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,320
are you doing by the way

764
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,320
well you know this is i am doing great

765
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,160
mica and when you're coming on the show

766
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,680
just puts me in the right mood we were

767
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,160
talking uh before the show and i'm just

768
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,359
i'm ready to go

769
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:22,000
but this is the thing you've been doing

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00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,280
radio

771
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,480
forever you don't look that old when did

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you start doing radio

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just just give it to me give it to me in

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decades

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i mean it was let's see i mean it was

776
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about 15 years ago maybe

777
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,640
that i started in radio i was i was

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about 24 years old or so i just turned

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38.

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so yeah i've i've been doing it for a

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while uh and of course i've been doing

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you know

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music and working a microphone for years

784
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before that so i kind of entered that

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field

786
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,920
with some prerequisites but you know

787
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,839
it's funny because i'm a lot like you

788
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,280
back when i was doing that

789
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,960
right no different from how i am right

790
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,880
now i was the guy who would go in there

791
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and willingly work on a saturday night

792
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,680
to fill in

793
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
for joshua p warren or somebody or to

794
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,680
produce his shows just to be involved in

795
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:07,119
exactly what you and i are doing right

796
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,680
now

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00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:10,000
when there was ufo news breaking i would

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00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,800
go in there

799
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,200
and do my d you know my best to report

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00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,560
it let's just say that

801
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:17,599
and did you um did you go to school for

802
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,400
broadcasting

803
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,200
were you like a communications major no

804
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,040
i was in college at the time and i had

805
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,800
an opportunity they needed a board up at

806
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,160
my local radio station

807
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,920
right and i was thinking okay let's see

808
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,320
okay i can continue pursuing psychology

809
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,359
and history

810
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,680
or i could take a a leave of absence

811
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,440
right and go in radio for a while so i

812
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:37,200
mean i literally just got my foot in the

813
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door

814
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,359
now there's a little more to the story

815
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,640
and this is i'll keep it short but i

816
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,560
mean what we find out years later of

817
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:44,079
course is that my dad's

818
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,160
dad had come to asheville north carolina

819
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,400
okay with no money back i mean this was

820
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,160
right after the second world war

821
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:54,320
uh he had enlisted and they had said due

822
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,200
to some health

823
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,960
issues he couldn't actually go and fight

824
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,240
and so they put him on a shipyard down

825
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:59,920
there in charleston south carolina

826
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:02,320
right after the war he's looking for

827
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:03,119
work and

828
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,320
somebody says you know there's a great

829
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,320
musician or a great music scene up in

830
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,240
asheville north carolina he played piano

831
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,560
right and so you know he just said okay

832
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,920
sure i'll go up there let's let's take

833
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,880
off let's try it

834
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:15,520
he shows up in asheville the night that

835
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,560
he arrives

836
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,359
he goes to the very same studio my

837
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,160
former alma mater wwnc

838
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,599
and he walks in and says you guys need a

839
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,720
piano player and they said well let's

840
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,079
see how you play and so he played and

841
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:27,280
they said you're hired and they hired

842
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,320
him on the spot

843
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,560
so years later i find out that there's a

844
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,400
family history of my family working at

845
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,400
that same radio station

846
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,839
how crazy is that and and for those out

847
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,800
there

848
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,520
that want to break into radio i'm not

849
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,440
kidding

850
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:46,560
any radio station is hiring board ops

851
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,320
right now that's it that's it they're

852
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,839
uh for most of the networks

853
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,040
out there they run the help

854
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,240
wanted board op ads non-stop

855
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,640
right they don't they don't ever stop

856
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,160
right because

857
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,680
uh the board ops come in run the board

858
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,760
and then they start doing traffic and

859
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,800
not necessarily

860
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,440
traffic reporting they need to but

861
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,000
traffic is another term inside of radio

862
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,320
so uh they'll get into traffic they'll

863
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,359
get into writing

864
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,440
maybe advertising sales will start

865
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,359
producing a show or maybe they'll jump

866
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,640
behind the mic

867
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,839
but the board op is the easiest way into

868
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:29,040
radio

869
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,320
and i i would say that probably

870
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,119
most did that route most started as a

871
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,200
board op they'll train you as the board

872
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,040
really you want to be the board op come

873
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,960
on in this is what you do

874
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,599
you press this button here this turns on

875
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,200
the microphone

876
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,839
do that for the next four hours right i

877
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,720
mean that's

878
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,720
you know and and that's how it happens

879
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,480
and that's how it happened with you

880
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
did you ever run a broadcast console

881
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:56,880
before that day

882
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,400
you i learned how to run a broadcast

883
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,000
console after that i mean you know what

884
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:03,119
i was doing it was a little more than

885
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,440
just

886
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,520
button up you know on the weekends

887
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,960
that's what i thought i would go do is i

888
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,400
i'm going to pick up some extra hours on

889
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,760
the weekends you know running ball games

890
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,880
and things no

891
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:13,200
very quickly i find myself in the master

892
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,079
studio on the

893
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,160
big i think was like an r60 with the

894
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,160
wooden paneling oh that's so nice

895
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,160
yeah so i'm calling the governor i'm

896
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,560
calling you know our uh congressmen and

897
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,920
senators i'm running a political talk

898
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,839
radio program so there's the host

899
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,640
and here's me and and yeah you learn

900
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,800
really quickly how to do eight things at

901
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,280
once

902
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,599
that's right it is arguably one of the

903
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,079
most nerve-wracking professions

904
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,160
but it shaped how i am because you know

905
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,599
i've always been really interested in

906
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,599
the martial arts and music and things

907
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,280
all of those kinds of disciplines i

908
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,800
think you need to have a

909
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,480
different level of awareness jimmy

910
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:48,000
you're a guitar player by the way ladies

911
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,040
and gents at home

912
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,920
i'm looking at his studio wall covered

913
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:53,280
in the most beautiful guitars you've

914
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,240
ever seen

915
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,920
this guy and i we were probably

916
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,200
separated at birth but i know you know

917
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,480
what i'm talking about yes i do

918
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,640
i talk about that level of awareness

919
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,400
radio really trains you

920
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,480
to be aware of everything that's going

921
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,599
on in a room

922
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,200
you know to be able to listen to one

923
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,040
thing with one ear and to listen to

924
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,400
something else with your other ear while

925
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,079
you're reading something

926
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,319
you know queuing up the next commercial

927
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,319
getting ready with the bumper music

928
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,960
and and logging what's going on and

929
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,640
logging the phone calls

930
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:23,040
all of that has to happen all at the

931
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,000
same time

932
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,040
and then you have to develop

933
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:30,000
and this is what i talk about a lot you

934
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:31,760
have to develop

935
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:35,040
who you are your personality

936
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,960
you don't want to have the facsimile of

937
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,000
yourself

938
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,640
come over the microphone not your

939
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,599
representative

940
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,160
you want the real you and so now you

941
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,680
have to figure out

942
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,079
how to connect your brain your soul your

943
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,000
personality to your mouth

944
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,400
and never say the word um right and

945
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,760
that's the next

946
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,000
level of of things how long did it take

947
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,760
for you to find yourself

948
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,400
because you come through right right now

949
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,760
you're coming through on the mic that's

950
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:05,599
micah hanks that's the guy that i hang

951
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,000
out with

952
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,880
in per that's you but most people don't

953
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,960
understand that that you have to find

954
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,000
yourself

955
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,520
and get that to come through the

956
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,280
microphone and go over the airwaves

957
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,240
hardest thing about radio it is and you

958
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,760
know what's crazy is i

959
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,319
saved a lot of my old air checks the

960
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:24,960
first time i ever hosted a radio show

961
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:28,560
by myself i saved that first air check

962
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,760
you talk about cringeworthy unlistenable

963
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,599
yeah i mean but what's really funny is a

964
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,880
lot of people who have followed me for

965
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,400
years they say your voice is different

966
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,280
now you don't

967
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,520
have the same accent you don't you don't

968
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,280
talk the same way that you did

969
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,880
well the reason why is because there is

970
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,480
a bit of a conditioning that happens

971
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:46,000
when you're working in radio one of one

972
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,440
of the first things that ever happened

973
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,599
i went in there and my boss john

974
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,359
anderson to this day still one of my

975
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,560
wonderful friends

976
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,640
uh and we all knew him as the voice of

977
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,240
the mountains you still hear his voice

978
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,079
in all the grocery stores everywhere you

979
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,599
go in town anytime you listen to the

980
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,480
radio

981
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,560
one of the most instantly recognizable

982
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,400
voices in this market but one of the

983
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:05,839
first things he said to me is

984
00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:08,960
don't you ever say w okay this station

985
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,800
is

986
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,720
wwnc and you pronounce those words

987
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,880
and the letters and the call letters you

988
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,720
pronounce everything you say on the

989
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,079
microphone correctly

990
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,480
you never use foul language when you are

991
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,400
in a room with microphones whether they

992
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,599
are hot or not

993
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,680
you you know these are the protocols

994
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,359
these are the rules that's that

995
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,599
that's rule number one two three right

996
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,839
there it should be posted

997
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,079
in every radio station right there if

998
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,680
you can't get these three done

999
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:38,000
uh you know go work somewhere else

1000
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,720
that's right

1001
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,280
yeah but i mean again i it does kind of

1002
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,520
rewire not only the way that you talk

1003
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,720
the way that you behave

1004
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
in a you know on-air format but it

1005
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,560
really kind of changes how you think

1006
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,240
like i'm saying so i mean it was an

1007
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,000
incredibly formative experience and when

1008
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,680
people point out to me they're like

1009
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,960
what happened to your accent you know

1010
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,160
you don't sound like you did 10 years

1011
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,520
ago i'm like you're absolutely right i

1012
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,359
don't you know this is what radio does

1013
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,079
to us but

1014
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,839
you know i think of it jimmy like an

1015
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,520
opportunity to cultivate

1016
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,839
you know uh all of these things that we

1017
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,680
enjoy about broadcast you know like you

1018
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,440
said don't say um speak

1019
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,760
clearly you know be able to take a whole

1020
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,920
lot and condense it into a short

1021
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,520
phrase and say it quickly and

1022
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,880
efficiently because you never know when

1023
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:18,160
somebody's going to call in and wreck

1024
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,200
everything

1025
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:21,280
no that's right i i used to sit for

1026
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:22,319
hours

1027
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:30,079
just oh it was uh and the word exercises

1028
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,800
and the things and

1029
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,640
and and i do all of that privately i

1030
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:34,079
don't do it in front of people it's

1031
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:34,880
embarrassing

1032
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,319
but i i and and nobody knows about that

1033
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,000
aspect of the business and

1034
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,280
how disciplined you have to be and

1035
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,880
and double you oh man that was a killer

1036
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,319
man that was a killer

1037
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,119
um okay where where was i even going

1038
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,280
with that oh that's because

1039
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:56,400
you make the show easy for me and and

1040
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,040
i'm not

1041
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,480
uh there's a there's another aspect uh

1042
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,760
to to broadcast and that is sometimes

1043
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,640
it's a lot of work where you've just got

1044
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,440
a guest

1045
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,720
and it's just it's real work and it's

1046
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,319
it's a real struggle

1047
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:15,280
and and i i bring on you and it's just

1048
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,760
easy

1049
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,400
it's fun you get it this is not your

1050
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,319
first trip around the block

1051
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,160
and it's just great uh when you're on

1052
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,599
the show that being said

1053
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,760
is why i'm going to make life hell for

1054
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,200
you tonight jimmy and play the

1055
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:33,510
it'll be the last show

1056
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,760
fade to black

1057
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,119
and uh and and you you know

1058
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,079
uh how do i say this you'll you'll find

1059
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,920
out how easy it is to get blacklisted

1060
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:49,280
well if you're on the blacklist and it's

1061
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:50,560
fade to black i figure that's where you

1062
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:51,040
want it that's

1063
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,160
where you want to be that's where you

1064
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,400
want to be now but that's

1065
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,839
but that is so key um i went back i just

1066
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:58,880
said the word um

1067
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,240
i went back and listened uh to

1068
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,599
very early broadcast broadcasting

1069
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,359
certainly some of the stuff from school

1070
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,440
and i did this last year and i found a

1071
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,119
file folder with this

1072
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,240
and i'm listening to it it was

1073
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:15,200
the worst thing i ever heard i mean it

1074
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:16,000
was

1075
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,079
so bad and the advice that i give

1076
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,720
uh micah to people that want to break

1077
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,079
into the industry and they're

1078
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,200
you know dude i've done 10 podcasts okay

1079
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:30,160
all right well talk to me when you get

1080
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,800
to

1081
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,000
you know podcast 100 or 200 because if

1082
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,680
you go back and listen to podcast

1083
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,560
1 through 10 you realize how bad you

1084
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,760
suck

1085
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,839
it's the truth you know and some you

1086
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:43,599
know they they really don't want to hit

1087
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,400
well you know what

1088
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:47,599
get to number 200 and see how you've

1089
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,280
grown right and see the growth

1090
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,440
because what you're doing right now it

1091
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,880
just it sucks

1092
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,720
i haven't even heard it i'm just telling

1093
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,040
you because when you get to 200

1094
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,760
you get to 300 you get to 400 and you

1095
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,800
just grow

1096
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,680
every show is your best show at that

1097
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,400
point

1098
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,359
right because everyone is just such an

1099
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,480
improvement

1100
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,880
and you're able to connect your your

1101
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,720
frontal lobes to your brain

1102
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,359
uh from your frontal lobes to your mouth

1103
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,880
see i can't even do it

1104
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,640
so anyway let's let's get straight to it

1105
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,000
micah

1106
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,839
the uh the headlines over the last

1107
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,640
couple of weeks

1108
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,359
um i'm sure that you listen to my little

1109
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,400
diatribe

1110
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:33,760
at the beginning of the show and

1111
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,119
i it was pretty shocking to me

1112
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,920
to see these explosive headlines uh

1113
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,599
which were covered on the debrief and

1114
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,720
we're gonna

1115
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,119
go through that in just a minute but

1116
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,319
also by every

1117
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,520
media outlet all around the world the

1118
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:52,560
potentially the biggest

1119
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,319
headline in human history right flying

1120
00:47:04,630 --> 00:46:57,520
pyramids

1121
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,640
over the us navy if that is the case

1122
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,240
then that is the biggest

1123
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,839
game-changing event in world history

1124
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,680
period probably

1125
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,920
probably bigger than the resurrection

1126
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,800
i'm saying

1127
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,800
it's we're we're going big that's big

1128
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,040
new how could it not be spoken about

1129
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:20,720
today

1130
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,319
right let's go back to two weeks ago

1131
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:27,359
april 9th uh the debrief runs with the

1132
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,160
headlines

1133
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,160
you're reading it you're looking at it

1134
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,839
and you're looking at this video what

1135
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,079
went through your mind

1136
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
well what usually goes through my mind

1137
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:38,480
when there's ufo news

1138
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,520
that breaks these days i am both at once

1139
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,640
i think i am i am excited and yet also

1140
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,920
underwhelmed consistently okay and you

1141
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:50,720
know again

1142
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,319
the story the uh a lot of what has

1143
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,760
happened in the last month we'll say

1144
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,119
let's extend it a little further back

1145
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,400
because we've had

1146
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,839
photographs that have been released that

1147
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,440
appear to have been taken from an iphone

1148
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,160
8

1149
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,680
okay which appear to depict

1150
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,520
objects that last time in fact i came on

1151
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,119
the show and talked with you i had laid

1152
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,960
out the case based on uh what a lot of

1153
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,960
other people had also been saying

1154
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,800
and my personal opinion based on what

1155
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,880
the photos appear to depict

1156
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:19,200
what i thought was a balloon now some

1157
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,000
have tried

1158
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,680
to argue that that is not what is in the

1159
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:23,599
photograph it may not be a balloon i

1160
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,240
don't know

1161
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,480
i will say however if i had to guess

1162
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,079
based on what it looks like in the

1163
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,440
photographs

1164
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,520
my guess would still go with balloon

1165
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,920
okay because i haven't seen a convincing

1166
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,040
argument that

1167
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,280
what we see based on what the photos

1168
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,119
depict is not a balloon now there is of

1169
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,559
course the testimony from the

1170
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,960
the pilots they have described you know

1171
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,960
anomalous behaviors i.e that it didn't

1172
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,319
seem to move with the current it seemed

1173
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,079
to stay in place now if that indeed

1174
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,760
is true maybe we're looking at something

1175
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,440
else and i'm more than happy

1176
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,079
to hold out for that possibility in

1177
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,760
addition to that original photograph of

1178
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,559
course

1179
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,280
and keep in mind the the original photo

1180
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,720
which you and i talked about last time

1181
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,480
yes it had you know online and i told

1182
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,160
this to your listenership

1183
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,160
it had already been on twitter for

1184
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,480
months by the time we reported it we

1185
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,839
reported it because we were able to

1186
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,440
confirm tim mcmillan actually having

1187
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,640
authored that piece

1188
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,559
that it had indeed been one of the

1189
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,760
photos that the uap

1190
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,240
task force apparently is reviewing now

1191
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:19,920
more recently george knapp of course has

1192
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,400
released

1193
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,319
additional photographs he had also had

1194
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,559
those in his possession for some time

1195
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,720
the photos yet again there's there's

1196
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,480
still some confusion about whether they

1197
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:30,240
all show the same object or different

1198
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,960
objects

1199
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,280
my interpretation is it is probably all

1200
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,319
one object

1201
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,920
and that these were all taken within a

1202
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,359
short frame of time

1203
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,960
then we also had of course the footage

1204
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,640
which appears to be night vision footage

1205
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,599
that's actually

1206
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,680
a smartphone yet again filming through a

1207
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,800
night vision

1208
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,040
scope and it shows these triangular

1209
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,359
objects moving above a navy destroyer

1210
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,359
that of course leaked by filmmaker

1211
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,559
jeremy corbell

1212
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,559
now there's been a lot of talk about

1213
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,480
this in recent days why am i

1214
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,480
excited well because i'm very happy to

1215
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,559
see ufo dialogue

1216
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,440
consistently appearing in the news why

1217
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,480
am i underwhelmed

1218
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,520
well like you said if we look at what

1219
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,960
appears both in the photographs

1220
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,559
aforementioned and also the

1221
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:13,119
footage of these purported pyramidal

1222
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,400
objects that were hovering over this

1223
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,079
aircraft they looked to me and again

1224
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
this is just my gut

1225
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,359
but they look to me like they very well

1226
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,359
could have been made right here

1227
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,920
on our little mud ball now i don't know

1228
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,760
what they are i would still maintain

1229
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,440
that mick west and others who have said

1230
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,200
well the simplest and therefore the most

1231
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,359
likely explanation is that they're just

1232
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,559
standard airplanes far away and they

1233
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,720
only look like triangular objects no i

1234
00:50:40,589 --> 00:50:37,920
actually think

1235
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,599
that that may be actually an

1236
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:42,240
oversimplification i don't think we need

1237
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,640
to go

1238
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,880
that far that was really tantamount to

1239
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:46,400
what mick has done in the past when he

1240
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,200
has looked at

1241
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,040
the purported tic tac footage captured

1242
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,720
by chad underwood and said well that's

1243
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,240
just a 747.

1244
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,440
i've got a lot of problems we could

1245
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,960
break that down again a lot of people

1246
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,880
have already but i mean my point is

1247
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,359
do we need to oversimplify it now i

1248
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,880
don't know what the objects in those

1249
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,440
films are the most recent footage again

1250
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:05,200
to me looks like it could be drones of

1251
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,640
some kind but i wouldn't say

1252
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:09,760
alien necessarily okay and

1253
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,040
and my point that i keep going back to

1254
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:16,720
and others i'm not just the only one but

1255
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:19,839
those are flashing aircraft lights

1256
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:23,359
that immediately eliminates

1257
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,119
e.t or does it

1258
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,359
or does it let's let's just let's just

1259
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,400
okay

1260
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,760
i want to play devil's advocate here

1261
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:33,440
okay let's go from that list

1262
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,309
i have an open mind too i also think

1263
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,839
that uh you and i are both

1264
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,079
open-minded and skeptical you can be

1265
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,079
both at the same time and you can

1266
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,559
pull the right tool out at the time

1267
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,160
based on what the instance

1268
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,319
you know requires right yeah i would say

1269
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,520
that i would say that

1270
00:52:01,109 --> 00:52:00,079
you used to be more skeptical than you

1271
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:01,119
are today

1272
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,319
i think that's actually true and i'll

1273
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,240
tell you i've often been very critical

1274
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,599
in the past of the idea that there was

1275
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,400
significant

1276
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:07,920
data being withheld by the government

1277
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,720
but based on further review of data and

1278
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,640
further actually new information

1279
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,480
forthcoming that's even more important

1280
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,880
i think that there is now a much more

1281
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,720
obvious case that there is information

1282
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,599
being withheld

1283
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,359
by the u.s government intelligence

1284
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,599
agencies about ufos we can get to that a

1285
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,800
little later too but first i want to go

1286
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,839
down the list with some things you

1287
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,960
talked about in the intro

1288
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,480
okay you know you'd mention this would

1289
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,079
be like the biggest story if

1290
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,960
this was actual you know uap in this

1291
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,319
footage

1292
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,839
again we might have to challenge that

1293
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,359
conception too because

1294
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,960
in the past there have been very

1295
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,200
noteworthy ufo instances

1296
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,720
that they get their time in the

1297
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,319
spotlight but eventually people are just

1298
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,319
kind of like okay great well you know

1299
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,720
and again when we were on late night

1300
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,640
radio talking about the pentagon

1301
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,079
officially

1302
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,839
those three

1303
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,760
navy videos you remember them as the

1304
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,119
resounding meh

1305
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,520
by the media people well we've already

1306
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,880
seen those that doesn't mean anything

1307
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,680
we're like guys

1308
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:06,720
the navy the pentagon actually

1309
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,920
okay has said of navy videos that they

1310
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,000
class the objects in those videos as

1311
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,599
unidentified they don't know what that

1312
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,480
is

1313
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,160
now some still are a little suspicious

1314
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,079
of that but again if we if we take them

1315
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,599
for what they said that should be the

1316
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,359
biggest story of all time right there

1317
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,200
but look how people responded so

1318
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,640
would this necessarily be the biggest

1319
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,800
story maybe not can we be sure these

1320
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,160
pyramids are ours you're talking about

1321
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,680
the flashing lights and things

1322
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,839
i will head back over to the blue book

1323
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,680
files for just a moment in fact i'll

1324
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,040
quote ed rupelt

1325
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,800
from the report on unidentified flying

1326
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,880
objects he talking about the famous

1327
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,680
gorman dogfight incident and the

1328
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,280
description he gives of the object

1329
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,200
again he says that the light was six to

1330
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:46,880
eight inches in diameter was sharply

1331
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:47,520
outlined

1332
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,440
and was blinking on and off so sometimes

1333
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,559
objects that we would class uap do

1334
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,720
sometimes actually exhibit very

1335
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,839
earthly behaviors including blinking but

1336
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,640
then again

1337
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,200
i also have to say that some ifos

1338
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:05,119
objects that we can identify as not

1339
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,680
theirs

1340
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,040
they don't flash think about for

1341
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,800
instance iridium

1342
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,640
satellites they're reflecting sunlight

1343
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,720
right yep so there are instances where

1344
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,079
we have to also take these things into

1345
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,599
consideration but coming back to mick

1346
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:18,319
west again i would feel like looking at

1347
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:18,720
the

1348
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:22,720
triangular objects and saying well those

1349
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,200
are just

1350
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,200
regular aircraft much further away he

1351
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,319
said the same thing about chad

1352
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,599
underwood's footage

1353
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,319
i do feel that's an oversimplification i

1354
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,200
don't think we have to go

1355
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,520
that far out where we completely dumb

1356
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,119
down all the possibilities and say this

1357
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,880
is so mundane

1358
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,240
and really what that says about our

1359
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,599
military that they would look at this at

1360
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:41,440
all that i mean we have to lose faith in

1361
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,839
their

1362
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,480
ability to actually discern anything

1363
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,520
unusual i i

1364
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,200
i don't agree with him on that point and

1365
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,960
there are a lot of reasons why

1366
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,799
but i would agree with him that maybe we

1367
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,000
should look for more

1368
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,720
earthly explanations first and be open

1369
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,079
to the possibility that there could be

1370
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,440
something more anomalous now something

1371
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,880
that's interesting about the recent

1372
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,760
footage

1373
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,280
and again we've got to also acknowledge

1374
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,040
the reporting by adam kehoe at

1375
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,920
al over there at the war zone ty rogoway

1376
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,640
also now

1377
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,400
chiming in and his take on all this is

1378
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,079
he says these are all just low-end drone

1379
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,599
technologies right

1380
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:14,160
and the pentagon is acting like these

1381
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,599
are ufos

1382
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,359
you know again respectfully and i really

1383
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,280
love ty's reporting but i'm not

1384
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,760
so sure that i would be so definitive in

1385
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,040
saying that

1386
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:25,119
this these are all just low-end drone

1387
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,079
technologies

1388
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,880
if that's what these are what these you

1389
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:30,079
know pieces of footage that have been

1390
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,720
leaked

1391
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,040
represent we have to ask a few questions

1392
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:34,400
why were they being filmed in the first

1393
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,200
place

1394
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,599
you know why did it at any time have the

1395
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,119
appearance of being anomalous enough

1396
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,200
that they would go after it right

1397
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,319
you know these are the kinds of

1398
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,839
questions that do speak that maybe

1399
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,839
there's something there it just may not

1400
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,079
be the extreme that many people

1401
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,119
portray it as i.e alien or just a plane

1402
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,000
right right right so um the truth lies

1403
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,359
somewhere in the middle

1404
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:58,559
and i would say that

1405
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,480
if i was a betting man that those were

1406
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,680
us navy drones flown off of san clemente

1407
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:06,720
island

1408
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,839
the navy didn't inform the

1409
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,640
destroyers uh and the other navy ships

1410
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,079
uh that were out there

1411
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,599
that they were flying these drones off

1412
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,440
of the island and that's the

1413
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,400
end of the story and that that's it

1414
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,000
that's it that's why

1415
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,440
uh guys were sent out on the deck uh to

1416
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:28,160
to video these and to identify what was

1417
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,119
going on

1418
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,400
but that's it which to me is a bigger

1419
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,319
story than e.t

1420
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,799
how do you have the breakdown in command

1421
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,520
how

1422
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,520
does the navy make these mistakes

1423
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:41,200
investigate that and i think that the

1424
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,920
navy is

1425
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,119
investigating that and and why

1426
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,480
there was a lack of communication

1427
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:51,680
the only other and the second uh story

1428
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,160
here

1429
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,119
uh explanation for this is that it could

1430
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,359
be russian or chinese maybe they

1431
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,720
surfaced a sub swarmed some

1432
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,119
some drones into our military airspace

1433
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,480
during some training

1434
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:07,200
that is a big story and how that would

1435
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:07,680
happen

1436
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:11,119
but why would china or russia have

1437
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:14,640
a strobing aircraft light on a spy drone

1438
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,760
that's supposed to be invisible right so

1439
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:19,040
you're asking all the right questions

1440
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,920
again if

1441
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:22,240
they must have wanted to announce their

1442
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,960
presence

1443
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,119
okay and like you're saying about how

1444
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,400
they would have been put

1445
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,480
in close enough proximity to a navy

1446
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:29,839
destroyer you know one of two things is

1447
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,640
happening here

1448
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,400
in my opinion there had to be a mother

1449
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,240
ship and by that i mean a submarine like

1450
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,359
you're talking about

1451
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,599
something from a closer distance from

1452
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,359
which those could have been launched if

1453
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,839
it was a foreign adversary if it was a

1454
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,599
foreign adversary or they had to have

1455
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:45,280
come from the u.s mainland and the fact

1456
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,920
that these

1457
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,359
you know these operations are again

1458
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,599
occurring closer to the u.s mainland

1459
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,520
that had been my line of thinking could

1460
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,960
these be our own because

1461
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,559
these things have to have some sort of a

1462
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:56,079
propulsion source you know they have to

1463
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,960
have fuel

1464
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,200
to get out there presumably and i think

1465
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,640
that that would hold true even if these

1466
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,319
are something far more anomalous but

1467
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:04,000
again my guess would be that somebody's

1468
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,119
operating drones

1469
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,559
if it's the enemy why do they want to be

1470
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,000
seen if it's not the enemy why weren't

1471
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:09,520
our guys told

1472
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,799
exactly and i i

1473
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,920
i'm a betting man it was the u.s navy

1474
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,400
flying drones off of san clemente island

1475
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,839
very simple explanation it makes perfect

1476
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,079
sense and

1477
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:25,599
the strobing flashing aircraft light uh

1478
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,799
that is clearly in the video is

1479
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,720
is the game changer for me i want it to

1480
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,960
be dude i want it to be

1481
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,160
anunnaki flying pyramids i do i wanted

1482
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:37,920
to be that that could be horrific

1483
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:41,599
i do man i do harassing harassing our

1484
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,079
navy

1485
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,040
god that would be so cool that would be

1486
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,480
awesome but that's not what it is

1487
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,079
let's take our break right here michael

1488
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,920
you stay right there this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

1490
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,880
micah hanks of the debrief we've got

1491
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more to discuss

1492
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,280
on this story because that's part one

1493
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,799
we're gonna get to part two and april

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15th in just a second i'm your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer network in kgra

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the planet more with mike after this

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short break stay with us

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micah uh all kidding aside i when i

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look at uh everything that went down

1626
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with these you know the flying pyramid

1627
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um it's one thing to

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jump to a conclusion create the barnum

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and bailey atmosphere

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generate clicks and and get you know

1631
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contacted by the media

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and and i understand uh people need

1633
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and desire that i i get that but there's

1634
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another part to this

1635
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:12,640
and that is uh john greenwald

1636
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,599
of the black vault uh and i think

1637
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:18,640
another journalist who got susan gao

1638
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,000
over at the pentagon to say that

1639
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,520
yes these are actual us navy

1640
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,839
videos and they're part of the uap task

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force report

1642
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,799
and and they were leaked okay

1643
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:36,240
what susan gao did not say

1644
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:40,880
is that these are navy videos

1645
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:44,640
of flying pyramids that's not what she

1646
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:45,280
said

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of the sort

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she just said that the videos are real

1649
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okay

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the media then turns around with the

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suggestion

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01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,280
of others that twisted the headline into

1653
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the pentagon verifies

1654
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flying pyramids video and

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01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:10,880
implying that the navy admitted

1656
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and the pentagon said that these are

1657
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videos of flying pyramids

1658
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,839
that's not you know and so now we get

1659
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this twisted

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and it gets uh around the world

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you at the debrief who has become

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um you guys are now tasked with uh

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uh a dilemma you know what what do you

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do

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here how did you guys handle the

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twisting

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of the implications coming out of the

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pentagon

1671
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,920
you know what uh tim mcmillan wrote

1672
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,880
in a recap of all of these events that

1673
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,799
transpired i believe that was published

1674
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:55,039
maybe on april 9th so i mean it's been a

1675
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,920
few weeks now

1676
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,599
but he just kind of outlined what had

1677
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,359
been said and had

1678
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,000
explicitly said yes susan goff has

1679
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:03,760
confirmed

1680
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:06,559
that and she had one day earlier as you

1681
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,039
noted

1682
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:09,680
told our brother john greenwald that

1683
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,319
these

1684
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,119
she could confirm as having origins you

1685
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,640
know within the navy

1686
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,559
but that of course did not confirm

1687
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,839
anything about what

1688
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,319
the objects in the footage might be and

1689
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:21,839
she continues to say

1690
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,880
you know again as i have told you guys

1691
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,960
hundreds of times literally i mean she

1692
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,559
must be so tired of telling people that

1693
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,760
the pentagon does not

1694
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,559
comment on you know the nature of what

1695
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,640
we are investigating with uap task force

1696
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:36,000
or anything else right now that's not

1697
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:37,839
going to do us any favors

1698
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:41,440
so she won't uh she will not elaborate

1699
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,559
any further but you're right the problem

1700
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:45,839
is that the media

1701
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,319
generally looks at this and also some of

1702
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,480
the hopeful ufo advocates who i would

1703
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,839
say are non-media

1704
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:54,160
certainly not traditional card carrying

1705
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:55,280
journalists

1706
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,559
a lot of people looked at that and said

1707
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,720
okay but she did enough she's already

1708
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,400
said everything that we needed to hear

1709
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:02,799
which is that the videos are real

1710
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:05,200
they're real now in terms of how we

1711
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,920
would uh

1712
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,839
approach that at the debrief you know it

1713
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:09,680
really just comes down to report

1714
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:13,599
what are facts don't you know speculate

1715
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,799
you don't offer you don't editorialize

1716
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,880
editorializing to me is saying that the

1717
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,960
pentagon just released incredible uap

1718
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,799
footage which seems to confirm that

1719
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:24,719
there are technologies we can't identify

1720
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:25,040
no

1721
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,880
we have seen says that this is

1722
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,880
necessarily technology that cannot be

1723
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,920
identified

1724
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:34,000
or that is anything beyond the scope of

1725
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,040
what physics

1726
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,839
knows you know again i have to say

1727
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,679
watching the footage i can't identify

1728
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,480
the objects

1729
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,080
immediately but i would simply say i'm

1730
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,239
not overly impressed

1731
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,080
and they appear to be drones of some

1732
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,600
kind now

1733
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:50,000
now that i've laid the trap for you and

1734
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:51,279
allowed you to think that i'm going to

1735
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,080
say

1736
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,839
over the course of the entire program

1737
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,440
that these are all probably our own

1738
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,040
technologies and that there's nothing to

1739
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:59,279
see here i do want to point out of

1740
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,239
course that

1741
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,759
the other side of this that everybody

1742
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,600
misses in the media and also all

1743
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:06,400
kids who started following ufos in 2017

1744
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,839
read a couple of books about roswell and

1745
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,600
became experts two years ago

1746
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,080
right you know or whenever all these

1747
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,600
people who are fairly new to this are

1748
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,520
completely missing the history

1749
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,000
they completely overlook the historical

1750
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,080
aspects of all of this

1751
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,839
and i think it's really important if

1752
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,839
we're going to understand and properly

1753
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,920
frame the narrative about what we may be

1754
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,359
dealing with

1755
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,960
we also have to understand the deeper

1756
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,799
history of this topic again i look back

1757
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:32,560
to that gorman dogfight i don't know

1758
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,239
what the little thing was that the pilot

1759
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:36,080
apps actually observed he sees this

1760
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,640
little

1761
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,239
you know roughly maybe the size of a

1762
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,719
beach ball it's a flashing light

1763
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,960
not the most impressive of all ufo

1764
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,719
technologies if anything it actually

1765
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,640
sounds somewhat like the foo fighters

1766
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,480
that were observed you know during the

1767
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:50,400
second world war by some of the allied

1768
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:54,080
and axis pilots but the question i have

1769
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,400
is

1770
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,239
what kind of technology that appears to

1771
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,199
have no discernible propulsion system

1772
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,880
which is just a little ball of blinking

1773
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,560
light that is flying

1774
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,480
and outmaneuvering one of the best

1775
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,800
planes that we had at the time

1776
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,960
what was that you know and this

1777
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,400
immediately after the

1778
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:12,159
famous estimate of the situation back

1779
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,679
during the project sign years for those

1780
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,719
wondering and we're talking about the

1781
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,239
late 1940s

1782
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,199
what kind of technology of ours existed

1783
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,560
then

1784
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,880
that could account for some of these ufo

1785
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,760
reports now

1786
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,440
let's go a little further back even

1787
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,040
during the war okay we've got this

1788
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,800
report that barry greenwood reported

1789
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,800
about years ago and i love this one

1790
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,000
april 5th 1943 9 50 a.m

1791
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,679
he's talking about a pilot named jerry

1792
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,000
casey casey was a primary instrument

1793
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,000
flight instructor supervising a student

1794
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,080
and a bt13a trainer

1795
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,239
cruising near long beach california with

1796
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:46,080
the student flying casey had glanced

1797
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,040
eastward

1798
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,440
and noticed a peculiar flash in the sky

1799
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,120
and as he looked more carefully he saw

1800
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,880
an aircraft in a moderate dive toward

1801
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,679
the trainer

1802
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,440
preparation for evasive action was made

1803
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,120
ready in case it needed

1804
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,960
or it was needed as the craft continued

1805
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,480
to approach and then pass on the

1806
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,080
trainer's left side

1807
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,640
now as casey said this plane keep in

1808
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,440
mind folks 1943 this plane was quite odd

1809
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,440
he said it was radiant orange in color

1810
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,520
with no openings or glass visible

1811
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,360
there was no propeller no propulsion of

1812
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,520
any kind visible it was elliptical with

1813
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,120
a rounded hump on top

1814
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,120
and a smaller hump underneath jimmy can

1815
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,880
see the image i'm holding up right now

1816
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,640
this is based on what jerry drew it

1817
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:24,320
looks an awful lot to me like a flying

1818
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,960
saucer

1819
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:27,199
yes pretty much i don't know what that

1820
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,400
is that he saw

1821
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,000
but he thought at the time it was a new

1822
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,440
spy plane in development and so he

1823
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,800
didn't say anything about it because he

1824
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,800
thought well if this is one of ours

1825
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,320
you know i need to be a good american

1826
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,239
loose lip sync ship so i won't say

1827
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,480
anything and he didn't talk about it

1828
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,080
but of course after years and years and

1829
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,600
years he kept thinking about what was

1830
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,880
that glowing orange

1831
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,199
wobbling saucer-shaped object that

1832
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,960
nearly collided with my plane

1833
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,199
over california in 1943 and eventually

1834
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,199
he came around to thinking you know

1835
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,679
i don't think that was anything of ours

1836
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,120
but probably he didn't start thinking

1837
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,920
that until kenneth arnold in 1947

1838
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,480
you know project blue book and of course

1839
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,400
its predecessors are instituted where we

1840
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:06,080
actually have the newly formed u.s air

1841
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,199
force looking at this

1842
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,840
phenomenon and going there appears to be

1843
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,760
a there there we don't know what it is

1844
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:13,440
it doesn't appear to be a threat but

1845
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,640
there definitely seems to be something

1846
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,840
we can't account for

1847
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,719
this also the reason why by 1961 former

1848
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,719
cia director roscoe hillenkotter had

1849
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:22,880
joined nycap and come out publicly and

1850
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,920
said look

1851
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,760
these technologies do not appear to be

1852
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,280
china or russia

1853
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,760
they exceed anything we know or anything

1854
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:31,600
the u.s has and we need to look at this

1855
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,719
seriously

1856
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:34,080
now if you take all that into

1857
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,679
consideration and then you look at what

1858
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,040
was filmed in 2004

1859
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,440
look at what was filmed in 2019 you know

1860
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,640
look at what the pentagon

1861
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:43,040
is talking about now and what the uap

1862
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,080
task force under the

1863
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,920
uh the department of the navy is looking

1864
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,159
at i mean with the proper historical

1865
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,440
backing

1866
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,760
i find it very hard to say that this is

1867
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:54,000
all just stuff that the navy built

1868
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,360
and again i get this all the time on

1869
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,280
twitter people saying well i would

1870
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,880
believe in ufos if it weren't for the

1871
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,840
fact that the navy has already

1872
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,520
demonstrated technology that can do all

1873
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,280
this i'm like have they

1874
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,880
can you can you send me a link can you

1875
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:07,360
show me the documents that clearly

1876
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,640
and unequivocally show that our military

1877
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,840
any branch

1878
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:14,000
is who is building this stuff and if

1879
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:15,120
they're building it were they building

1880
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,880
it in 1947 or 1946 or 1943

1881
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,000
i think that the history of the

1882
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:21,840
phenomenon shows us that there is at

1883
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:24,159
least some component of this

1884
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,360
you know all discussion about the

1885
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,679
possible drones that were filmed in 2019

1886
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,880
notwithstanding

1887
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,480
there's some component to this that has

1888
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:32,320
been here far longer and to simply say

1889
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,600
it's our tech

1890
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,040
and that we've had it somehow since the

1891
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:37,840
1940s that doesn't drive for me

1892
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:41,360
well i agree

1893
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,400
with everything that you just stated but

1894
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,000
there is uh a dramatic butt here

1895
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,960
and the dramatic butt is when we are

1896
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:51,840
dramatic

1897
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:55,520
okay kim kardashian it's kim kardashian

1898
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,159
is is this

1899
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:02,800
right now we are talking about the

1900
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:04,840
united states navy

1901
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,480
specifically in one location

1902
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:10,560
off of the west coast of the united

1903
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,520
states in a training area

1904
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,440
where you have camp pendleton you have

1905
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:16,719
the united states navy

1906
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,520
and you have san clemente island where

1907
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:20,800
in san clemente island

1908
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,080
is the only live fire only live fire u.s

1909
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:26,159
navy installation in the world

1910
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,600
and suddenly that's where we are seeing

1911
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:31,040
this we're not seeing this over los

1912
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:32,480
angeles and we're not seeing this over

1913
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,000
new york city or dallas

1914
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,560
or seattle or kansas city it's

1915
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,000
specifically in one

1916
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,040
area and the 2019

1917
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,719
video um which allegedly

1918
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,920
was about 700 feet in altitude okay

1919
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,320
that's

1920
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,560
according to the united states navy and

1921
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,159
their own reporting

1922
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:55,360
the drive and uh tyler rogoway

1923
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,120
over uh the war zone and the drive both

1924
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,440
reported this through the ship's logs

1925
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,000
and foia

1926
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:06,159
requests for documents that's the us

1927
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,360
navy's words

1928
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,679
so when i look at this object that is

1929
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,239
traveling at 700 feet

1930
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,719
it's first off it's not big number one

1931
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:15,760
number two it's not doing

1932
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,960
anything extraordinary it's flying in a

1933
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,719
straight line and it's got a strobe

1934
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:21,840
light on it

1935
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,880
that was standing micah i have seen the

1936
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,120
craziest crap in the skies

1937
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,440
that you can explain that goes right

1938
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,360
back to all of the reports that you

1939
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,760
just mentioned yourself but that is

1940
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,600
apples and oranges

1941
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:38,800
this flying pyramid video

1942
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,840
isn't it it's ours but you see why

1943
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,920
when i said earlier i was underwhelmed

1944
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,280
yeah i'm excited to see

1945
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,960
discussion of ufos in the media right

1946
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,560
now but again i'm very underwhelmed by a

1947
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:49,679
lot of the stuff that we're seeing in

1948
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,000
the

1949
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,360
and again i would actually extend that

1950
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,679
to some of the other three navy videos

1951
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,040
that were previously released

1952
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,800
chad underwood's footage captured with

1953
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,880
raytheon atlear targeting pod that

1954
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,280
purportedly shows this tic tac thing

1955
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,960
that uh commander fravor

1956
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,640
and his company observed his weapons

1957
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,080
officer and the other pilot

1958
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,719
you know that is interesting to me and

1959
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,480
based on our understanding of the

1960
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,320
operational capabilities of

1961
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:14,080
the raytheon unit that filmed it that

1962
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,520
also is interesting to me

1963
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,600
uh the other two pieces of footage i am

1964
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:19,280
not as convinced by

1965
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,640
you know um i think that there are other

1966
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,239
pieces of footage that have come forth

1967
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,840
in recent years you know the uh

1968
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:28,000
aguadilla uh puerto rico footage from a

1969
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:29,520
few years ago a lot of people incredible

1970
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,199
footage that that that footage micah

1971
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:36,159
should be talked about right now in

1972
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,880
front

1973
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,920
worldwide constantly that is crazy that

1974
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,679
is unexplainable

1975
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,800
uh what goes on in uh the homeland

1976
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:47,199
security puerto rican uh video now oh

1977
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,320
let me let me back up go ahead i'm not

1978
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,360
uh in any way pooh-poohing on everything

1979
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,280
that was just released the video i have

1980
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:57,120
problems with because i've got night

1981
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,000
vision

1982
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,239
i'm out there all the time and and i

1983
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,679
know what i see

1984
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:03,440
and that's what's in that video it's

1985
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:10,709
you've got night vision i i do i do you

1986
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:15,199
i do i do it's built in elon musk

1987
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,120
elon musk is this um the

1988
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,560
the blimp photograph that george knapp

1989
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,320
posted

1990
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:26,640
that's incredible i don't know what i'd

1991
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:27,440
i that

1992
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,640
is the object i don't know what that is

1993
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,040
it could be mando could be mandalorian i

1994
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,280
think there's a possibility of that

1995
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,440
but that's a pretty crazy i don't know

1996
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,040
why knapp

1997
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:42,320
uh calls it blimp because it took the

1998
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:43,199
air out of it

1999
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:46,080
for me it could it just be some kind of

2000
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:46,480
blimp

2001
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:49,440
i i i don't see that i think that's a

2002
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:49,920
pretty

2003
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,120
incredible photograph um

2004
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,080
you know the batman balloon could be i

2005
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,000
still find that intriguing the altitude

2006
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,239
is what throws me off on that that a

2007
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,560
mylar balloon flying at 40 000 feet i

2008
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:03,760
have issues with

2009
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,880
i'm pretty intrigued um my mind is still

2010
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,360
open

2011
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,840
on that the jury's still out but this

2012
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,120
other image that ma

2013
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:14,159
uh that knapp posted of this he calls it

2014
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:15,520
the blimp

2015
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,800
that's that's interesting i'm not

2016
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,120
that that i'm not it doesn't look like a

2017
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,480
drone

2018
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:25,440
it doesn't look like anything uh

2019
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,000
terrestrial

2020
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,679
that i've seen before in the skies what

2021
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,760
did you think of the blimp photograph

2022
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,000
well first i think that the terms that

2023
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,239
are being used now that uh really nap

2024
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,880
introduced but i think that he had uh

2025
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:38,400
gleaned those terms

2026
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,760
based on operational uh not really code

2027
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:43,120
names but kind of nicknames that have

2028
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:44,239
been given to the objects in the

2029
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,199
photographs so

2030
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,280
the batman balloon uh has been called

2031
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,719
the acorn

2032
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,320
i think blimp was a similar nickname

2033
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,760
that had been given to the object based

2034
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,520
on its likeness in the photograph

2035
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,199
um you know again i don't know what

2036
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,679
those are both of them do appear in a

2037
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,679
lot of ways to be balloon-like to me but

2038
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:01,120
you know tim mcmillan actually checked

2039
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,480
with the

2040
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,719
navy safety center uh and filed a foia

2041
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,080
request and found

2042
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,480
he was actually given a ton of of has

2043
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:10,400
reps and as he reported precinct has rep

2044
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,120
by the way

2045
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:14,000
is just short for a hazard report uh as

2046
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,640
was uh

2047
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,560
uh clarified for me by my good buddy

2048
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,400
jeff smith uh some time ago

2049
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,960
uh former uh he was actually a navy

2050
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,719
navigator i'm sorry a us

2051
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:25,120
air force navigator for years had more

2052
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,920
than a thousand

2053
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,679
uh you know flight hours and so he's my

2054
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,199
go-to guy for all this stuff and i love

2055
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,719
having somebody who who understands all

2056
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,760
the terminology

2057
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,920
even better than i do but yeah tim uh

2058
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:35,520
reported previously there at the debrief

2059
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:36,960
that with the hazard reports that he was

2060
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,800
given by the navy safety center

2061
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:41,199
he wasn't able to correlate any uh has

2062
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,000
reps

2063
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,920
uh involving incidents that appeared to

2064
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:46,320
indicate sightings of balloons that

2065
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:47,520
seemed to match what appeared to be in

2066
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,320
the photographs

2067
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,159
and based on the the metadata that we

2068
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:52,080
have actually the exif data i suppose

2069
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,440
from the photographs that's how we knew

2070
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,960
that it was an iphone 8

2071
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,800
we even knew which camera on the phone

2072
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:58,320
apparently took it

2073
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,920
but uh based on the date and the time

2074
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,600
with the time zone into consideration

2075
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:05,120
again all this we discussed last time i

2076
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:06,159
was on the program

2077
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,239
uh we can't correlate that with any of

2078
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:11,199
the haz reps that were provided via foia

2079
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,480
that indicates that these were

2080
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,679
concerning enough that there were

2081
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,440
actually hazard reports filed they don't

2082
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,880
appear to have been any

2083
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,960
so if these objects were photographed

2084
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,719
one of two things seems to have occurred

2085
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,400
there wasn't any kind of report

2086
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,480
filed that we know of or if there was a

2087
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:26,159
report filed it wasn't a run-of-the-mill

2088
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,120
hazard report

2089
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,280
and that might have gone someplace else

2090
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,719
i don't know

2091
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,159
that's an interesting prospect but i

2092
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,639
mean i don't see any evidence that that

2093
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:36,159
was necessarily the case but we should

2094
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:37,280
also point out that

2095
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,480
you know even back during the years of

2096
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:40,239
project blue book there were instances

2097
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,880
where

2098
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,080
of course we have what we're called the

2099
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,239
the service or the service reports right

2100
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,679
the cr cir

2101
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,560
vis this was a reporting system where

2102
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,159
essentially anything that was deemed of

2103
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,239
concern which also included unidentified

2104
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,760
flying objects

2105
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,920
based on their proximity to a location

2106
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,199
of concern or if it was military

2107
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,480
servicemen and women who had actually

2108
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,760
seen these this could actually be

2109
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,840
reported all the way up to norad

2110
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,679
which to this day of course is actually

2111
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,600
exempt from foia being a

2112
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:08,000
you know a a component both of the

2113
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,600
united states and also canadian air

2114
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,400
defense

2115
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,400
now that didn't stop john greenwald from

2116
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:14,080
getting a bunch of serious reports there

2117
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,400
uh

2118
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:16,000
a few years back but the u.s won't give

2119
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,000
theirs over and norad is very

2120
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,679
traditionally tight-lipped about it but

2121
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:21,360
i'm i'm telling you that just to point

2122
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,320
out the fact that

2123
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,159
there are reporting mechanisms that have

2124
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,920
been in place for years that would allow

2125
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,000
for a ufo report to be filed with

2126
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:30,000
the government that would be presumably

2127
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,600
exempt from foia and that would not

2128
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:33,280
necessarily go to the traditional

2129
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,400
reporting channels

2130
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:36,000
which at the time included project blue

2131
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,440
book here it might also include

2132
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,719
the navy safety center and the house

2133
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:40,320
reps that they've turned over now that's

2134
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:41,679
speculation on my part

2135
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,960
that might account for why these things

2136
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:44,239
didn't appear in those reports i

2137
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,520
couldn't tell you what those things in

2138
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:47,760
the photographs actually are

2139
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:50,639
my first guess would be maybe balloons

2140
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:50,960
why

2141
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,440
if knapp hadn't have called the image

2142
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,960
blimp

2143
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,880
uh i don't know if he called i don't

2144
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,040
know if he named the file blimp or

2145
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:06,000
if he coined the term blimp but if i

2146
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,400
hadn't

2147
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,880
read that i wouldn't have gone i would

2148
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,480
have gone blimpy

2149
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:13,040
it didn't it didn't look blippy to me

2150
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:14,560
right and again i don't think that he

2151
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:15,199
actually

2152
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:18,880
gave them those nicknames

2153
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,920
but um this is a really interesting

2154
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:24,159
conundrum when it comes to ufos

2155
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,000
the way that what you call them tends to

2156
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:31,040
shape our attitudes about them i mean

2157
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,480
the same thing really has happened

2158
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,080
somewhat with the tic tac

2159
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,400
in the sense that once dave fravor said

2160
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,920
this thing was like a great big flying

2161
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,600
tic tac actually chad underwood

2162
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,120
claims that he was the first one that

2163
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,520
called it that whoever did when they

2164
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,040
introduced that terminology now

2165
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,719
everybody's like well all the ufos are

2166
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:48,000
tic tacs right there were never any

2167
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,520
flying saucers

2168
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:51,760
and and again going back to 1947 when

2169
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:52,560
the united

2170
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:55,520
states uh you know media here began to

2171
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,000
report

2172
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:58,480
on what kenneth arnold saw over mount

2173
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,120
rainier

2174
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,880
they were the ones that called it a

2175
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:02,239
flying saucer not

2176
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,760
mr arnold and once that term took hold

2177
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:07,120
everybody referred to these things

2178
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,760
including j

2179
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,920
allen heineck you know flying discs

2180
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,600
daylight discs

2181
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,520
he was calling with his you know with

2182
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,800
his ufo uh

2183
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,480
types that he had daylight discs you

2184
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:18,239
know nocturnal lights daylight discs

2185
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:19,520
radar visuals you know

2186
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,719
ce one two and three you know heineken

2187
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,639
was using that term daylight disk even

2188
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:26,000
though he would acknowledge

2189
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,159
not all the things we're calling a disc

2190
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,840
are even disc shaped this is just a

2191
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:31,280
general term that we use

2192
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,719
but immediately you see how there's a

2193
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,800
stigma that's introduced with that

2194
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,239
and so we have to be really careful when

2195
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,320
we give names to things like blimp or

2196
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:40,320
acorn because people start going oh yeah

2197
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,280
it's a balloon

2198
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,199
now i had thought that the quote-unquote

2199
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,360
acorn looked like a balloon beforehand

2200
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,199
so did tim mcmillan and j banayas

2201
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,800
you know we all when we first became

2202
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,400
aware of that photograph thought

2203
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,880
in fact you know tim had contacted noah

2204
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:54,800
to try and find out if it might be some

2205
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:55,600
variety

2206
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,960
of weather balloon that they might

2207
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:58,480
recognize they said that doesn't look

2208
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,920
like one of ours

2209
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,440
but of course the internet sleuths very

2210
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,199
quickly we're

2211
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,199
quick to point out that it bore a rather

2212
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:06,960
striking similarity to this

2213
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,840
batman balloon and i have to say again

2214
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,520
in terms of just

2215
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,520
you know what is most likely it looks

2216
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,719
the most like that

2217
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,800
now there are some some questions like

2218
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:18,960
you mentioned about possible altitude

2219
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,760
and you know the maximum uh height that

2220
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:23,920
a mylar balloon would be expected to

2221
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,040
fly i wonder about all that but again

2222
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,560
when i say it looks like a balloon i'm

2223
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,080
not necessarily saying that all the

2224
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,600
evidence points to that i'm saying that

2225
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,040
based on what the object in the

2226
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,040
photograph most closely resembles

2227
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,719
i have to go with the party city balloon

2228
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:38,719
okay yeah well

2229
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:41,360
and i hear you there's another issue

2230
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:42,560
with that though

2231
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:47,120
if that balloon which was uh

2232
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,960
a 20-inch tall balloon for a 20-inch

2233
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,960
tall balloon to be photographed like

2234
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:53,679
that

2235
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:56,960
from the cockpit of an fa18

2236
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:01,679
it had to have been at the wing tip

2237
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,550
yeah but if you look at the full

2238
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,639
photograph the full frame photograph i

2239
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,000
have it right here

2240
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,000
it's look at that full-frame photograph

2241
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:13,760
it's a good distance away

2242
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,520
you know it's not quite right there at

2243
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,679
the wing tip so how could it be

2244
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:20,159
19 inches tall if it's a good inch if

2245
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,520
it's a good distance away

2246
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,760
that's my issue i'll see what your point

2247
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,600
is is that the object would appear to be

2248
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:27,440
larger if it's a good distance away and

2249
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,239
still be

2250
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,400
visible like that that or it is closer

2251
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,760
you know and it has the superficial

2252
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,719
appearance of being

2253
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,040
totally totally totally totally i get

2254
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,440
all of that and i'm trying to

2255
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,520
rationalize this in my mind are we

2256
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:40,960
having a depth of field

2257
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:43,760
issue here is it a 20-inch balloon that

2258
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,760
looks like it's a quarter mile away or a

2259
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,120
mile away whatever

2260
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,400
you know but or is it 20 inches

2261
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:52,320
at the wing tip yeah and i don't mean to

2262
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:53,600
interrupt you but i mean here's the

2263
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,719
problem i have with this you know i was

2264
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,840
talking with ted rowe

2265
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,920
from narcap great organization that has

2266
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:58,960
been looking at some

2267
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:02,159
real serious gnarly ufo incidents

2268
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:02,880
involving

2269
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:06,080
u.s pilots commercial pilots and again

2270
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:09,440
ted rose position on this is essentially

2271
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,639
and has been for years now that uap must

2272
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:14,719
be observed and understood and we really

2273
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,679
need to be

2274
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,520
making an effort to get pilots to be

2275
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,440
aware of the potential hazards that they

2276
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,560
may represent to

2277
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:23,120
aviation safety but you know i look at

2278
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:24,080
all the information that's been

2279
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,840
collected by narcap and organizations

2280
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,800
like that

2281
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:28,080
and i'm talking with ted about those

2282
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:29,440
photos and he says oh yeah you mean that

2283
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,320
balloon

2284
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,159
it's very much his opinion that this

2285
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:34,560
object is probably a balloon too

2286
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,320
when we're talking about what the

2287
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,920
photograph might indicate the real

2288
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,520
problem we have jimmy is that i doubt

2289
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,040
that there is enough information in the

2290
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,960
photograph all the web sleuths you know

2291
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:45,120
you know roger glassell and others have

2292
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:46,560
you know seen the reflection of the

2293
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,520
emblem on the

2294
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,600
on the pilots or the it might have been

2295
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:51,040
actually the the other individual in the

2296
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:51,679
cockpit

2297
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,239
but on the on the helmet we were able to

2298
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,760
glean all this information which helps

2299
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:57,360
us know who was there where it likely

2300
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,400
was photographed

2301
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,239
and all these details and yet we still

2302
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:01,840
are talking about it why because there's

2303
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:02,480
not enough

2304
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,840
information in the photograph that we

2305
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,199
will ever probably be able to

2306
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:07,440
conclusively determine what it is

2307
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,639
therefore what concerns me is is this

2308
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,800
really where the ufo debate is right now

2309
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,880
about whether a possible balloon

2310
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:17,120
you know is maybe the best evidence

2311
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,560
that's been leaked in recent days or

2312
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:20,080
whatever these drones were that were

2313
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,360
filmed in 2019

2314
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,719
now you think about here's something

2315
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,719
that really interests me and where i'd

2316
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:26,080
like to see this debate going and this

2317
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,440
gets over into kind of you know

2318
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,440
conspiracy country here because

2319
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:31,760
we had former dni ratcliffe going on

2320
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:34,000
maria bartoromo's program on fox news

2321
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,040
talking about

2322
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,800
satellite imagery that appears to depict

2323
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:39,280
uap and all this stuff and he was really

2324
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,800
i mean he dropped some bombshells a lot

2325
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,639
of people were just going wow

2326
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,800
this is really interesting then of

2327
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,080
course within days

2328
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:49,040
we have uh marco rubio who is now the

2329
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,520
vice

2330
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,880
chair of the senate intelligence

2331
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:52,320
committee but of course he had been sure

2332
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:53,600
at the time when he had proposed the

2333
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,159
bill

2334
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,920
which actually led to the eventual

2335
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,920
enactment of the uap task force

2336
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,520
but marco rubio is sitting there saying

2337
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,120
hey you know what here's the deal

2338
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,280
we don't know what these phenomena are i

2339
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,199
don't know if by the time this report

2340
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:06,880
arrives and it may not be here by

2341
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,719
he said june 1st but really it's june

2342
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:10,320
24th or so when we're supposed to be

2343
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:11,120
seeing it

2344
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,239
he says i don't know if we're going to

2345
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,080
have enough data in that report to

2346
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:15,920
conclusively determine what these things

2347
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,320
are

2348
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,600
but he says there's definitely something

2349
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,880
that's going on and we need to observe

2350
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,239
it and we need to understand it

2351
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,080
but then brian bender reporting in the

2352
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,400
politico just days after that

2353
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,239
and the fact that the uap task force

2354
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,679
according to sources in washington who

2355
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:29,120
are familiar with the matter

2356
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,400
they're now saying that they are

2357
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,760
essentially getting this is the term

2358
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,960
that bender used they're being

2359
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,760
stiff-armed by the intelligence agencies

2360
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:37,600
many of the intel agencies don't appear

2361
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,239
to be completely compliant with

2362
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,560
the requests for information on uap that

2363
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:44,560
the uap task force has asked for so my

2364
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:45,520
question is

2365
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,480
we hear former dna ratcliffe and marco

2366
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:49,840
rubio and people who have been briefed

2367
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:50,080
and

2368
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,360
rubio has said we've been briefed on

2369
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,840
this for close to a decade at least

2370
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,520
probably longer than that but i mean the

2371
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,040
point is they have seen

2372
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,360
some of what we have and it's unclear

2373
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,360
now whether or how much the uap task

2374
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,960
force will be given

2375
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,560
let alone whether that will be made

2376
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,159
available to the public in a

2377
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,159
you know unclassified form so my

2378
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,400
question is what was dni radcliff

2379
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:12,000
talking about you know what have those

2380
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,040
guys seen

2381
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,040
and why is it that the intel agencies

2382
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,880
even when we have a uap task force

2383
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,639
established under the cognizance of the

2384
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,480
department of the navy to look at this

2385
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
and request by the senate intelligence

2386
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,080
committee to make a public

2387
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,480
report an unclassified public report why

2388
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,639
can we still not get this stuff now

2389
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:32,080
you said earlier jimmy the mikey eseema

2390
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,199
these days may be a little less

2391
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,960
skeptical than you used to be

2392
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:36,239
i'm always going to be a skeptic but i

2393
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,080
will tell you this based on what i have

2394
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,920
seen in recent days it seems very clear

2395
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,760
to me that the intelligence agencies do

2396
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,920
have a lot of information about ufos it

2397
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,920
seems increasingly unlikely that all of

2398
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,840
that will be provided to the task force

2399
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,080
and i'm wondering now how much or really

2400
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,600
if any will be made available to the

2401
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,639
public

2402
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,080
that's what we should really be talking

2403
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,679
about and that's what frustrates me i

2404
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,639
think about all these

2405
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,480
sensational photographs which comes back

2406
01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:00,080
to another point you made earlier

2407
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:01,360
you know the good intentions of the

2408
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,560
people who are reporting on these

2409
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,320
sensational leaked photos

2410
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,880
i'm so sick of leaked photographs i'm so

2411
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,320
see you know sick of all this

2412
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,920
silly stuff and all this conjecture

2413
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:11,600
about what this might be or might not be

2414
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,320
drones

2415
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,960
theirs ours whatever you know let's talk

2416
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,560
about what the intelligence agencies

2417
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,520
have shown

2418
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:19,600
members of congress you know those who

2419
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:21,520
have received classified briefings what

2420
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,960
they're talking about and why

2421
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,040
this is something that has consistently

2422
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:26,800
for decades been withheld from the u.s

2423
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:27,280
public

2424
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,239
that should be the issue preach let's

2425
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,760
take our break right here this

2426
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:33,600
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

2427
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:36,080
church our guest tonight mike hanks

2428
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,760
i can tell we're just getting started

2429
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:41,280
this is faded black i'm heroes jimmy

2430
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:43,040
church more with mike after this short

2431
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:43,920
break

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01:30:52,210 --> 01:31:02,550
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01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,679
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01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,199
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01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,199
the absolute best our uh guest tonight

2542
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,280
is micah hanks and micah

2543
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:17,920
we were talking about guitars earlier

2544
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:18,560
and

2545
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:22,880
something very unique

2546
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,360
and that is this guitar right here

2547
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:30,639
this guitar is a fender strap

2548
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:33,600
okay but it's not just where that but

2549
01:36:40,430 --> 01:36:34,400
it's not just

2550
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:44,950
1990 it's 31 years old

2551
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:48,320
this guitar has never been

2552
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:52,719
played i bought this at a pawn shop

2553
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:56,639
uh 20 some odd years ago

2554
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,080
and uh and i i got it

2555
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,080
uh because it was a cool color and it

2556
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:04,000
had a tremolo on it

2557
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,880
and i i brought it home and put it in

2558
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:07,760
the garage

2559
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,199
where it sat for another 10 years

2560
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:14,080
and uh 10 years ago when i was putting

2561
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:15,920
the studio together

2562
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:18,480
and hanging guitars and figuring things

2563
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:20,000
out i went man i got that

2564
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,960
i got that fender strat in the garage

2565
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:23,760
right now i'm

2566
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:26,320
going down ah there's the case all right

2567
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,520
so i take it out

2568
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,280
and i open it up and i took another look

2569
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:31,199
at it i hadn't looked at it

2570
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,199
since i bought it and it sat in the case

2571
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,679
still had the plastic on the pickguard

2572
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:40,159
still has the plastic on the back

2573
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:43,600
there's not a scratch on it it's never

2574
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:44,960
been played

2575
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:48,400
this is a brand new

2576
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,719
perfect flawless 31 year old guitar

2577
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:55,199
that has never been played i gave it a

2578
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,000
fret job

2579
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,320
it's got a beautiful neck but i don't

2580
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:00,400
want to scratch it i don't want to i

2581
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:02,800
it still got me plastic on the back it

2582
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,320
still got me plastic

2583
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:07,280
and uh the case still has the tags in it

2584
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:07,679
i got

2585
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:10,960
all the original paperwork uh

2586
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:13,280
it's crazy isn't it but that's a 31 year

2587
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,080
old

2588
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,360
brand new never been played guitar

2589
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,520
not a scratch or a ding on it pretty

2590
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,800
cool isn't it

2591
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,199
i like it yeah i ran the serial number

2592
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:24,960
came back 1990.

2593
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,159
it's like oh it's 31 years old

2594
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:30,480
how crazy is that that's close to the

2595
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:31,760
same vintage of the uh

2596
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,560
the old black strat that i play and it's

2597
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:36,159
identical to that except it's far more

2598
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,360
beat up than that guitar

2599
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,520
and it's black instead of the kind of

2600
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:41,040
dark purple that yours has is that a

2601
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,480
purple sparkle

2602
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:45,199
no it's uh no it's just a straight

2603
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:46,080
purple

2604
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,520
yeah i kind of like that though it's

2605
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:49,199
cool looking yeah yeah i was thinking

2606
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,560
about painting it

2607
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:52,400
and then i i just backed up i thought

2608
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,400
man it's it's a 31 year old guitar

2609
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,520
i don't even want to scratch it or so it

2610
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:00,960
just sits up here

2611
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:03,440
and there it is but there's a story

2612
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:04,159
behind

2613
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:07,920
it but you're a musician i thought you

2614
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,800
enjoy that

2615
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,960
all right now uh getting back to our

2616
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:12,719
discussion

2617
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:15,119
there's another part of this that i feel

2618
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:16,560
that the media bears a lot of

2619
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,679
responsibility

2620
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,600
for but things will never change and

2621
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:21,360
society

2622
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:24,800
will take something

2623
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,040
and no matter what it's about but if

2624
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,040
it's repeated enough and it goes out

2625
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:31,360
into the public domain

2626
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,760
it's now accepted as fact right and so

2627
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:38,159
um and it affects people's vision and

2628
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:39,600
how they see things and how they

2629
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:40,080
perceive

2630
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:43,520
things now we have an instance

2631
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:47,360
of instance of flying pyramids

2632
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:51,040
and now it doesn't matter what the facts

2633
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,000
are it is now out there and the media

2634
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:55,679
doesn't go back and retract

2635
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,639
statements right it's a cut and paste

2636
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,320
world that we live in with news

2637
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,760
reporting today

2638
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,159
uh there isn't a whole lot of journalism

2639
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:06,000
like what you guys do over the debrief

2640
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:07,360
you guys actually

2641
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,320
type right that doesn't go on that much

2642
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:11,520
anymore

2643
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:15,679
and now we go into this danger zone

2644
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,960
that there's flying pyramids off the

2645
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:19,679
coast of

2646
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,960
of california flying pyramids and

2647
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,440
you can't change the public's mind now

2648
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:27,520
because of the dogma

2649
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:30,639
that gets repeated how do we make this

2650
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,199
change

2651
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:33,520
how do we stop this how do we get the

2652
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:34,480
media

2653
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:37,920
to bear some responsibility in this well

2654
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,920
i do think that this is an existing

2655
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:41,199
problem that's been around for a long

2656
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,719
time and again you know i'm very glad to

2657
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:44,159
see that there are a lot of people who

2658
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,199
are writing

2659
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,719
and who are you know reporting from

2660
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:48,400
different perspectives i've got to hand

2661
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:49,199
it to the you know

2662
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,800
ty rog away brett tingling my brother

2663
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,239
over there and the guys at the

2664
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:55,119
war zone you know they really i mean

2665
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,520
have

2666
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:57,840
done fantastic reporting on this also

2667
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,600
and there there are others too

2668
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:01,360
uh and i think it's important to see

2669
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,719
diversity and opinion

2670
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,639
as far as what is being expressed and

2671
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:05,760
how the

2672
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,760
dialogue is being framed but the problem

2673
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,119
arises when you have

2674
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:12,239
you know largely tabloid journalists who

2675
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:13,199
are just

2676
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:16,159
scouring the web for youtube videos that

2677
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:17,440
are uploaded to very

2678
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:19,840
questionable youtube channels with very

2679
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:20,719
questionable

2680
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:24,159
videos purported to depict uap which

2681
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,840
more often than not appear to either

2682
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,520
depict nothing of the sword or actually

2683
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,199
appear to be hoaxes cgi

2684
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:32,400
things like that we've also got like we

2685
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,880
saw

2686
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,040
a few weeks prior to the most recent

2687
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,480
wave of story non-story ufo reporting

2688
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,400
you know we had by the way some it was

2689
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,239
pointed out to me that uh somebody had

2690
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:44,159
asked if i worked for the cia this is

2691
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,119
what happens when we have these

2692
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:47,040
conversations jimmy

2693
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,800
they but again we have to look at this

2694
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,800
critically now a few weeks prior to all

2695
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,000
this that we're discussing

2696
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,880
we also had some foia documents that

2697
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,320
were obtained by researcher anthony

2698
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:58,000
bragalia

2699
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,280
for those who aren't familiar you know

2700
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,280
he had been also one of those involved

2701
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:03,440
with the now infamous roswell slides

2702
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,400
thing

2703
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,560
bragalia had gotten some foia documents

2704
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:08,560
he had blogged about this at his website

2705
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,080
many tabloids took what he wrote

2706
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:14,560
and essentially unfiltered wrote it for

2707
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,920
their websites saying that the

2708
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:18,480
government has admitted that it has

2709
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,840
you know material reprieve yeah debris

2710
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:23,360
from ufos

2711
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,520
the documents said nothing of that sort

2712
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:29,280
and further what actually ended up

2713
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:30,560
happening uh

2714
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:32,400
it came out a few days there after you

2715
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,679
know because again john greenwald and

2716
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:35,520
certain others were directly involved

2717
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,840
with

2718
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,280
you know going right to bragalia and

2719
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,639
trying to find out what was going on but

2720
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:39,679
if you actually sat and read the

2721
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,480
documents

2722
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,800
it's describing known materials nitinol

2723
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:44,000
being one of them this is a

2724
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:45,280
metal that's used in all kind of

2725
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,880
dentistry work a lot of people walking

2726
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,239
around out there right now or people

2727
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,560
listening at home actually may have

2728
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,400
nitinol in their mouth based on

2729
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,000
different kinds of dental surgeries or

2730
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,080
the use of braces or whatever else

2731
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,840
you know this is a very common substance

2732
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:59,280
it's not something that we just

2733
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,639
that we only discovered you know at

2734
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:02,560
roswell in 1947

2735
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:05,600
but it was it was presented as such by

2736
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:06,480
the media

2737
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:09,199
who very uncritically looked at these

2738
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,840
foia documents which were also

2739
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,760
taken out of context it turns out that

2740
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:14,880
there were there were a

2741
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:17,440
batch of foias that were amended

2742
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,719
thereafter

2743
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:21,280
and the original foia that bragalia had

2744
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,159
requested

2745
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:24,800
as was presented on his website ended up

2746
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:25,280
being

2747
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:27,679
uh amended so that they could break it

2748
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,199
down into several different small batch

2749
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,480
releases so he could get some of the

2750
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,760
documents more quickly

2751
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:33,520
and so what was released was not

2752
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:35,520
necessarily directly relevant to what

2753
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,440
had been in his original foia request

2754
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,880
and so taken completely out of the

2755
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,639
context that it originally been

2756
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,760
presented in

2757
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,760
and then unfiltered and just kind of

2758
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,280
re-reported by the media yeah

2759
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,679
they all said you know the government

2760
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:49,280
admits they've got ufos

2761
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,719
i'm sure a lot of people out there are

2762
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:52,320
still going well don't forget about just

2763
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:53,520
a couple of months ago i mean they

2764
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,639
already admitted it

2765
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,960
who admitted what you know you got to

2766
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,480
read deeper than that but

2767
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,880
a lot of people don't so the issue that

2768
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:02,080
you're addressing

2769
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:03,679
you know and the point that you raise

2770
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,199
how do we get around that

2771
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:07,199
we do need more responsible journalists

2772
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,480
who are willing to look at these things

2773
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:10,080
but i think that we also have to be very

2774
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,600
aware of biases

2775
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:13,119
the thing that concerns me a little is

2776
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:14,800
that many people who would look at

2777
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,239
any purported ufo or uap you know video

2778
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,400
or photograph or anything

2779
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,000
they are immediately going to approach

2780
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:24,080
it with their bias the ufo crowd is

2781
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,520
going to say this is the best evidence

2782
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,520
that we've seen since roswell

2783
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,840
you know this is on par with the 2004

2784
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:31,040
nimitz thing

2785
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:32,320
you know then there are those aerospace

2786
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:33,440
and defense guys you know who are going

2787
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,600
to say well it must be a drone

2788
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:38,480
it must be lockheed martin's new you

2789
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,199
know stealth

2790
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:41,760
jet or stealth drone whatever how do you

2791
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,840
get around the bias in reporting that's

2792
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:45,360
one of the big issues for me

2793
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:46,639
you know those who have already doubled

2794
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,719
down and said all of this stuff is just

2795
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:49,600
our own

2796
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:52,000
and maybe the pentagon's acting you know

2797
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,760
like these are ufos for various reasons

2798
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,440
that actually could be the case

2799
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:58,080
but at the present moment i see no more

2800
01:45:03,189 --> 01:44:59,199
definitive proof

2801
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,199
these things are unequivocally

2802
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:05,760
exotic alien technologies if you follow

2803
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:08,400
me i remember the days i'll admit

2804
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:09,360
something to you now

2805
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:12,800
i used to make me so angry when

2806
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:17,199
i i was so frustrated with you to try to

2807
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:22,159
um to get you to i felt that

2808
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:25,600
you were being too skeptical right that

2809
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,880
you were just

2810
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:29,040
you know trying to be too reasonable

2811
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,320
with everybody let's

2812
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,520
stop and really examine all of this

2813
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:36,239
and and i was just like man micah it's

2814
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:37,440
not the case man

2815
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,600
it's not the case we need to look at and

2816
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:41,199
and seeing

2817
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:44,480
uh you today now i'm like doubly

2818
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:45,520
frustrated

2819
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:47,119
you're you're good i was gonna say

2820
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:48,880
you're too you're two

2821
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:58,149
the media has to stop

2822
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:01,280
and take a look at what they are

2823
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,440
actually saying and be willing to

2824
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:05,119
retract

2825
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,870
he got pretty ugly it got pretty heated

2826
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:15,040
between him and john greenwald

2827
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,639
and we don't have enough john

2828
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:19,040
greenwald's in the world

2829
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:22,239
to uh police everything that goes on

2830
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:25,440
john greenwald tirelessly

2831
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:28,800
and i mean this is a

2832
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:31,600
is constantly in contact pushing for

2833
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,760
these documents pushing for the reality

2834
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:35,040
of the situation trying to get

2835
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:36,320
clarification

2836
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:38,560
so all of us can understand and he is

2837
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,360
constantly

2838
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,239
unwinding other people's mistakes and

2839
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,159
that goes back to

2840
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,199
uh this uh ufo debris

2841
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:49,679
um i think because when this took off

2842
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,320
and ran

2843
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,800
i remember i was watching what was going

2844
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,239
on with john and

2845
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:56,800
and others out there uh fighting over

2846
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:57,679
this

2847
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,760
when all you have to do is just go and

2848
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:02,000
read the foia docs and see what is being

2849
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:03,920
presented here and it is

2850
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,880
not what they uh what the headlines are

2851
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,840
stating

2852
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,840
right and we don't have enough of john

2853
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:11,199
greenwald uh

2854
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:14,080
to to police everything some of it but

2855
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,000
goes right back on the media

2856
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:18,320
and those that originally make these

2857
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,119
statements

2858
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:21,360
you need to go i think you get a lot

2859
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:22,880
more respect

2860
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,400
if you go hey i didn't mean that

2861
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,719
or i made the mistake this is actually

2862
01:47:33,629 --> 01:47:30,719
what is going on that's where respect

2863
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,639
comes from and instead of constantly

2864
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,600
sensationalizing and not

2865
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:38,480
not willing when you're shown the truth

2866
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:38,800
to

2867
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:43,360
unfortunately so much of the narrative

2868
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,520
these days is led by sensationalists

2869
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,440
some of the reasons for that are the

2870
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:49,840
fact that you know you've got tabloids

2871
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:51,119
you know especially some of the british

2872
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,159
tabloids

2873
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,159
they frequently get linked to you know

2874
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:56,080
popular news aggregator sites like

2875
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:57,360
grudge report

2876
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:58,719
and one of the reasons why is because

2877
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:01,199
even if what they report is known to be

2878
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,600
overtly sensational and at times may not

2879
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:05,280
be necessarily credible

2880
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:08,000
they're nonetheless established media

2881
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:08,639
you know

2882
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:11,199
outlets they are media sources news

2883
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:12,000
sources

2884
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,520
that have been around for long enough

2885
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,600
that they get the eyes

2886
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,600
and you know it's definitely frustrating

2887
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,520
for me when i see

2888
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,440
you know a very talented blogger or you

2889
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:23,040
know a researcher you know fortunately

2890
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:25,280
john greenwald does get a lot of press

2891
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,560
uh you know he definitely does get

2892
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,480
backlinks you know in in a lot of the

2893
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,320
the tabloids and other you know

2894
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,400
mainstream media outlets that are far

2895
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:34,159
more reputable in my opinion than

2896
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,600
some of the tabloids we're talking about

2897
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:37,840
but you know more often than not i'll

2898
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:38,239
find

2899
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,719
some great analysis you know that's on a

2900
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:42,719
person's personal website or it's

2901
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:44,480
you know in a format like for instance

2902
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:45,520
something that's produced by the

2903
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,000
scientific

2904
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,760
coalition for uap studies this is an

2905
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,520
organization that i actually joined i've

2906
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,520
never joined a ufo group jimmy

2907
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,840
ever and and i joined this group and

2908
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,199
i'll tell you why because

2909
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,440
right now in addition to pressure on

2910
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:59,040
government to try and find out what

2911
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,159
information is

2912
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:02,880
available can be released and what data

2913
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:05,119
exists why it has not been released

2914
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,400
you know again i've never really been a

2915
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:08,159
big fan of this whole idea of disclosure

2916
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,000
but one reason is because if it

2917
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,760
if it never gets released have we wasted

2918
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:13,040
all our time trying to pressure

2919
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:14,080
washington

2920
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,920
you know and the scu let's make no

2921
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,599
mistake they do their fair share of that

2922
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:19,679
too i mean we recently actually just

2923
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,719
sent a petition to washington

2924
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:24,400
and it was signed by i think more than

2925
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,760
50 individuals

2926
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:27,119
you know whose names were not all

2927
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:28,480
disclosed but i'll just say that you

2928
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:29,360
know some of them

2929
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:33,599
individuals were essentially

2930
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,920
saying exactly what we've been talking

2931
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,440
about with regard to you know the

2932
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:38,880
necessity for

2933
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,239
uh people to be able to to know at least

2934
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,800
some extent of the reality of uap

2935
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:47,520
as government and as u.s intelligence

2936
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:48,320
agencies

2937
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:49,840
have been collecting data on it one

2938
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,679
reason being that

2939
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,199
if this information is made available to

2940
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:54,800
scientists they may

2941
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,400
actually be able to help government

2942
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:58,960
agencies that are looking at this data

2943
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:01,119
further it may also be of benefit to

2944
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,320
those outside of government who

2945
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,239
presently don't have access to it

2946
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,080
you know i was talking with a nasa

2947
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:08,320
scientist ravi kapamarapu

2948
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,239
the other day and he and his uh

2949
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:12,000
co-author of an excellent article that

2950
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:13,599
appeared in the scientific american last

2951
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,400
summer

2952
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:16,880
yakub haknisra they have both been guys

2953
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:19,040
who have really begun to

2954
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,960
be what i would consider the new wave of

2955
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,880
scientists who are starting to come out

2956
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:24,000
and say you know it's cool for

2957
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,639
scientists

2958
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,719
to take ufos seriously and we need to do

2959
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:28,159
it but ravi

2960
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,760
in an email to me for an article i did

2961
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:31,840
there at the the debrief

2962
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,719
he had said uh we if scientists are

2963
01:50:37,589 --> 01:50:36,239
going to be able to move forward on this

2964
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:37,599
we need to know what government already

2965
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,400
has

2966
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,080
but the other side of it too is that

2967
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,920
with all the existing data at our

2968
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,880
disposal

2969
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,320
i really would like to see more

2970
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,560
scientists looking at some of the data

2971
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,320
we already have rather than putting so

2972
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:49,920
much emphasis on government

2973
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,920
and the idea of disclosure again if we

2974
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:53,920
keep putting pressure on washington

2975
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,000
and they never release what we need how

2976
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:57,840
much time might we waste maybe we should

2977
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:59,199
actually look at what data we already

2978
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,760
have

2979
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:01,199
so you know these are issues too but

2980
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:02,320
that kind of stuff you know when you've

2981
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:03,920
got a scientific organization that's

2982
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,280
analyzing information that they've

2983
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,280
collected for 50 years from civilian ufo

2984
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,040
investigation agencies

2985
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,040
nobody pays attention to that that never

2986
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,800
gets reported in the daily mail

2987
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:14,080
right they never get picked up by the

2988
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:15,520
tabloids you know right but it doesn't

2989
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:16,639
get clicks

2990
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,800
some of the best information we have

2991
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:23,360
that's right and uh when we look i look

2992
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:24,719
uh avi loeb

2993
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:28,880
ravi um the scientific

2994
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:31,760
side of this reality where they are

2995
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:33,199
looking at the data they're looking at

2996
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,239
the numbers

2997
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:36,560
and the only conclusions that they can

2998
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,599
come to is

2999
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,840
there must be a butt load of life out

3000
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:41,599
there how much of it

3001
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,119
is just you know one celled you know

3002
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:48,239
molecular line uh living in in

3003
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,360
acidic ponds on some remote planet

3004
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:54,560
how much of it is is dinosaurs

3005
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,520
right how much of it is advanced you

3006
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:59,119
know interstellar

3007
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,320
traveling uh civilizations uh

3008
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,800
the the answers are there's got to be a

3009
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,159
lot of all of it

3010
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,000
there's too many planets there's the the

3011
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:10,239
universe is simply too big the milky way

3012
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:11,280
is huge

3013
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:14,960
and going back to your point also

3014
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:17,679
on the debrief was this excellent

3015
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,400
article uh by tim mcmillan which uh

3016
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:22,800
was back on april 21st and today is the

3017
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,760
27th so it came out a week ago

3018
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,840
with uh a pretty incredible headline

3019
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:29,760
which is alien artifacts

3020
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:32,800
on earth and our solar system is

3021
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:35,920
possible nasa reports now

3022
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:38,320
this is an article that is based on a

3023
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:41,360
2018 report by the united states

3024
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:44,560
national at nasa space administration

3025
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,840
shows the length

3026
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,920
america's premier space agency is

3027
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:49,520
willing to consider

3028
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:51,599
when proving the existence of

3029
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:52,800
intelligence uh

3030
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:55,920
intelligent alien life this is

3031
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,400
exactly what you're talking about right

3032
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,800
this is actually going on

3033
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:02,560
the the point that i'm trying to make

3034
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:04,480
here is not only the debrief

3035
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,199
is is pursuing this and so are you i'm

3036
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:09,199
talking about tim mcmillan

3037
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,480
that science is talking about this

3038
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,360
the navy's talking about it marco rubio

3039
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,679
is talking about it we've got everything

3040
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:19,679
happening at the same time

3041
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,920
with the ufo subject in the media you

3042
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:23,520
know tucker carlson

3043
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:26,000
ultimately the question is why what do

3044
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,679
you think is going on

3045
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:29,440
why and what do i think is going on well

3046
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:30,719
again you know it's the flavor of the

3047
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,679
month because after 2017 when this made

3048
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,000
big headlines leading the charge being

3049
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,599
the new york times but keep in mind we

3050
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,880
also had the washington post and

3051
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,280
politico almost simultaneously

3052
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:43,119
uh you know breaking the story about the

3053
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,800
pentagon's a-tip program

3054
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:47,040
luella zondo and of course you know his

3055
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:48,320
teaming up at that time with chris

3056
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,199
mullen the guys

3057
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,679
you know at that time the formation of

3058
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,119
course was to the stars

3059
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,599
since lou and chris having left of

3060
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,360
course that organization now they are

3061
01:54:00,790 --> 01:54:00,080
free agents essentially but that's why i

3062
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,800
mean because

3063
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,719
people began to all of a sudden say hey

3064
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,159
if the government's looking at it

3065
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:06,480
then it must be important but here again

3066
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:08,080
that brings us back to that bias that i

3067
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:09,679
was talking about earlier another of the

3068
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:10,719
biases

3069
01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:13,040
is that people don't assign importance

3070
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:15,040
to the subject unless they can associate

3071
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,639
it with the military which i think is

3072
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:18,719
both warranted and unwarranted

3073
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:20,560
let's first look at why it's warranted

3074
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:22,000
of course it's warranted because when we

3075
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,599
have military service men and women who

3076
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,280
are saying they're seeing these things

3077
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,159
when technology is being utilized by

3078
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,320
military bodies like the navy

3079
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:32,320
and again this the the raytheon

3080
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:35,040
targeting pod the the atlear system

3081
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,280
when the most sophisticated tracking

3082
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,280
system probably in use by the military

3083
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:40,800
at the time of that incident maybe still

3084
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,520
today

3085
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,840
in truth in a lot of ways is what is

3086
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:45,440
capturing the footage of these

3087
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:48,639
objects and the pentagon after review of

3088
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:49,599
the data

3089
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:51,599
doesn't find any information in those

3090
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,199
videos to be anything that they say

3091
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:54,960
shouldn't be released i.e that you know

3092
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:57,040
conveys anything that the public or our

3093
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:58,320
enemies shouldn't know about our

3094
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,360
technology

3095
01:55:02,830 --> 01:55:00,960
but they also say that whatever the

3096
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,840
objects are in the videos they can't

3097
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:04,800
identify you know that's certainly

3098
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:05,679
interesting

3099
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:08,960
it does bring a different level

3100
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:11,599
of both excitement and also i think

3101
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,520
concern in a lot of ways

3102
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,840
to the debate because people are looking

3103
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,280
at it now and saying okay you know those

3104
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:18,960
who are sworn to protect us

3105
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:21,360
and our nation to defend us against you

3106
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:23,920
know threats foreign and domestic

3107
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:25,520
they are saying that they are observing

3108
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:26,960
these things they are saying they can't

3109
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,159
identify them

3110
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:30,239
that is a big deal for people that is

3111
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:31,679
fundamentally to answer your question

3112
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,000
why

3113
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:34,080
people are talking about this right now

3114
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:35,920
but the other side of this

3115
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:38,719
you know the unwarranted side i worry a

3116
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,920
little that

3117
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:43,040
ufo enthusiasts

3118
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:45,040
have now come to the conclusion that if

3119
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,960
it's of significance it has to be

3120
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,560
obtained via foia

3121
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,920
it has to be something a government

3122
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:51,679
official has said

3123
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:54,000
and as we saw again in april of last

3124
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,599
year when the pentagon actually came out

3125
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:57,440
and acknowledged the existence of these

3126
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,560
videos

3127
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,920
that was far less significant in terms

3128
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:03,599
of the media reaction to it and the

3129
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:05,280
general public's reaction

3130
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:07,440
than when videos and photos and

3131
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:09,199
documents and things are leaked

3132
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,599
or obtained by civilian researchers so

3133
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:13,520
part of the bias and the strange bias to

3134
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,880
me is that people want to see

3135
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,239
information that has been

3136
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:17,840
illegally obtained or which has been

3137
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:19,360
leaked to the public

3138
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:21,280
or which civilians have obtained by

3139
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:22,400
pressuring government when the

3140
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:23,760
government comes out and says it it's

3141
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,679
not as impactful as when people have

3142
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,679
obtained it through other means

3143
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,520
that's kind of interesting to me and

3144
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,599
that really says one thing that

3145
01:56:35,350 --> 01:56:33,679
part of the fascination that we have

3146
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:35,360
with the government's involvement in all

3147
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,920
this

3148
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,119
really has less to do with what the

3149
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,199
government actually says it has

3150
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,880
everything in my opinion to do with the

3151
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:42,639
way that people obtain that information

3152
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:43,440
from government

3153
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,119
which is also in its own way very

3154
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:47,360
sensational i would like to see us move

3155
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:49,199
away from some of that sensational we

3156
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:50,719
gotta sneak it out of the government's

3157
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:51,360
hands and

3158
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:53,199
and you know pull it out of the national

3159
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,880
archives or whatever have some you know

3160
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,639
some deep throat bring it to us

3161
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,159
you know and leak these documents i'd

3162
01:57:01,990 --> 01:57:00,000
love to be able to see scientists

3163
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:02,000
and civilians and government start to

3164
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:03,840
say okay let's just acknowledge

3165
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,000
what we're dealing with let's try to put

3166
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:07,840
the data that we have out on the table

3167
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,560
let's try to do a reasonable responsible

3168
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,119
non-sensational analysis and let's try

3169
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:14,560
to figure out what this really means for

3170
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,520
humankind

3171
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,520
and more broadly life throughout the

3172
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:19,199
universe maybe if indeed these things

3173
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:22,000
represent extraterrestrials

3174
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:26,560
now what what do we do uh to your point

3175
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:31,520
uh today the ufo enthusiast

3176
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:35,199
yeah uh equate uap

3177
01:57:41,830 --> 01:57:38,560
automatically with aliens

3178
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:41,840
with extraterrestrial intelligence not

3179
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:45,520
of this earth origin that that's what

3180
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:49,840
uap means and any mention of uap

3181
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:52,880
from uh you know the navy said

3182
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,920
uh uaps are real however you want to

3183
01:58:01,910 --> 01:57:57,599
frame that

3184
01:58:02,870 --> 01:58:01,920
the uh ufo researchers and enthusiasts

3185
01:58:05,430 --> 01:58:02,880
out there

3186
01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:05,440
now equate that automatically with

3187
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:07,760
aliens and references to external

3188
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:09,760
uh extraterrestrial intelligence from

3189
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,599
zeta reticuli

3190
01:58:15,270 --> 01:58:13,679
how do we get away from that yes yes

3191
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:15,280
they have they have for a long time you

3192
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:16,400
know again we have to unders

3193
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:17,679
understand the history i think you know

3194
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,119
you go all the way back to the famous

3195
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:21,360
sign era estimate of the situation

3196
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:23,360
famous arguably one of the most famous

3197
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:25,280
ufo documents to have actually

3198
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:27,840
never been seen by civilian ufo

3199
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:29,199
researchers because all

3200
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,920
copies were ordered to be destroyed and

3201
01:58:34,629 --> 01:58:33,199
the reason why is because top brass

3202
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:34,639
didn't like the conclusions that were

3203
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:36,320
drawn in that document they essentially

3204
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:39,520
said look our review of the current data

3205
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:41,679
indicates that we have no no

3206
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:42,880
intelligence that

3207
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:45,440
clearly identifies these as being

3208
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:46,000
something

3209
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,480
belonging to the soviets you know some

3210
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:50,159
sort of a captured german technology

3211
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,280
that the soviets have

3212
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:53,599
begun to exploit after the war there's

3213
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:54,880
certainly nothing that

3214
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:57,119
equates this to any secret technologies

3215
01:59:01,990 --> 01:58:59,360
being developed here stateside

3216
01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:02,000
we don't we can't identify any state

3217
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:03,040
actor on earth

3218
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:05,040
that might possess technology capable of

3219
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:06,719
what is being reported therefore we are

3220
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:08,239
open to the possibility

3221
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:10,000
that these appear to be extraterrestrial

3222
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:12,159
well the military didn't want to hear

3223
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:12,719
that

3224
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,239
destruction of the so-called estimate of

3225
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:17,520
the situation

3226
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:18,960
and we only know about it through

3227
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,360
second-hand source material like edward

3228
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:23,360
rupelt's recollections even describe

3229
01:59:26,229 --> 01:59:24,480
what it looked like

3230
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:26,239
in his book the report on unidentified

3231
01:59:28,629 --> 01:59:27,440
flying objects but i bring that up

3232
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:28,639
because again that may be one of the

3233
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:30,960
earliest official documents

3234
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:32,800
which although we can't see it those who

3235
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:34,320
read it said yeah it came to the

3236
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:36,639
conclusion essentially that ufos

3237
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:38,480
being extraterrestrial seems like a

3238
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:40,080
likely conclusion

3239
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:43,599
i have often kind of intellectually and

3240
01:59:47,109 --> 01:59:44,400
otherwise

3241
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:47,119
pushed back on the whole ufo's equal e.t

3242
01:59:49,910 --> 01:59:48,000
thing

3243
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,920
and one of the reasons that we have to

3244
01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:51,360
is because we cannot

3245
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:54,000
state that even the most exotic ufos and

3246
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:55,280
again i have to say

3247
01:59:57,910 --> 01:59:56,560
a lot of what we've been talking about

3248
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:57,920
tonight a lot of this stuff that's

3249
02:00:02,149 --> 01:59:59,520
recently in the news a lot of these

3250
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,159
leaked photographs and videos and things

3251
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:04,320
very well may if they are not simply you

3252
02:00:07,669 --> 02:00:06,159
know simple prosaic things like batman

3253
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:07,679
balloons or whatever blimps what have

3254
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:08,400
you

3255
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:11,440
photographs and videos they may indeed

3256
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:11,760
be

3257
02:00:16,390 --> 02:00:14,480
some kind of technology that is not

3258
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:16,400
recognized by the public

3259
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,880
that is certainly possible but the fact

3260
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:20,560
that it is not recognized by the public

3261
02:00:22,709 --> 02:00:21,199
jimmy

3262
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:22,719
doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't

3263
02:00:25,589 --> 02:00:24,480
belong to our government

3264
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:25,599
and i actually think a lot of these

3265
02:00:29,910 --> 02:00:28,080
things might be stuff of our own making

3266
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:29,920
technologies of our own development

3267
02:00:32,870 --> 02:00:31,360
there's also that more concerning

3268
02:00:35,109 --> 02:00:32,880
possibility that they could belong to

3269
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:35,119
the enemy

3270
02:00:38,470 --> 02:00:36,639
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3271
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,480
do that you're a radio professional you

3272
02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:40,560
know what's going on i gotta take a

3273
02:00:42,950 --> 02:00:42,080
break man i gotta pay the bills our

3274
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:42,960
guest tonight is

3275
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:45,599
micah hanks we'll continue this

3276
02:00:48,229 --> 02:00:46,960
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3277
02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:48,239
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3278
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:54,040
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3279
02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:00,070
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3280
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3286
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3382
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:39,119
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3383
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:40,880
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3384
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,560
i guess not michael hanks but one of the

3385
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:44,400
great things about doing a live radio

3386
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:45,840
show like this you never know who's

3387
02:05:50,069 --> 02:05:47,040
listening

3388
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:50,079
and micah was just talking uh before the

3389
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:50,960
break

3390
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:53,440
about some of these objects uh maybe

3391
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:54,159
hours

3392
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:56,079
i think they may be spying on us and

3393
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:57,199
then

3394
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:59,920
alex jones is now on the line he just

3395
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:00,560
called in

3396
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,639
and and and alex um i i understand

3397
02:06:08,069 --> 02:06:06,560
uh what is going on with micah and

3398
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:08,079
suggesting that

3399
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:11,920
some of this uh uh reported ufo

3400
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:14,320
stuff that's in the media right now uh

3401
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:14,960
maybe

3402
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,920
think is actually going on

3403
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:21,599
jimmy let me just interrupt you right

3404
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:23,679
there okay i've been following this for

3405
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:26,800
20 years okay actually 20 years longer

3406
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,920
than everybody else has been following

3407
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:29,520
this i was the first guy

3408
02:06:33,510 --> 02:06:31,119
down there in austin texas saying that

3409
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,520
this actually was our own stuff okay

3410
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:35,679
people laugh about that all the kind of

3411
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:37,360
things that our military

3412
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:38,800
actually does that we don't know about

3413
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:40,079
but i've been talking about it for 20

3414
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:41,440
years all right you know this you've

3415
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:42,639
been in my house you've been drinking

3416
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,360
whiskey

3417
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:44,960
uh apple juice i mean you know drinking

3418
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:46,880
apple juice there in the uh next to the

3419
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,920
fire

3420
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,520
but anyway i've been saying these things

3421
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:51,199
for our own stuff for a long time but

3422
02:06:55,270 --> 02:06:52,560
now they could be aliens they could be

3423
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:55,280
interdimensionals reptilians perhaps

3424
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:56,960
is it possible why would the

3425
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:58,960
government's a gun hold on hold on wait

3426
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:59,840
they could be

3427
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:02,159
they might actually belong to the zeta

3428
02:07:06,950 --> 02:07:03,679
reticulence

3429
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:06,960
but do you why would they be

3430
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:10,000
spying on us are they spying on me are

3431
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,679
they spying on you how are they getting

3432
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:13,840
it done

3433
02:07:18,069 --> 02:07:16,880
jimmy i think that's as much alex as you

3434
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:18,079
guys

3435
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:19,599
if you if you want to have micah hanks

3436
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:21,520
for the rest of your show

3437
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:24,880
then that's all the alex you get i gotta

3438
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:25,599
tell you

3439
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:32,000
this was many years ago uh and and we

3440
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:32,719
did this

3441
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:38,159
two weeks

3442
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,239
people thought it was alex jones and

3443
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:42,000
that i and

3444
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:45,920
it was uh uh it was negative

3445
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:48,159
you know it was negative because they

3446
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:50,560
they thought it was alex and they were

3447
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:53,760
believing uh the schtick i thought that

3448
02:08:00,069 --> 02:07:54,079
was

3449
02:08:00,950 --> 02:08:00,079
you do a great alex i wish everybody

3450
02:08:02,709 --> 02:08:00,960
could see

3451
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:02,719
what i was seeing right there everything

3452
02:08:07,910 --> 02:08:04,719
that alex does when he goes off

3453
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:07,920
the veins right the veins it's all

3454
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:09,280
happening with you

3455
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:12,000
the major just exploding out that was

3456
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,599
well done man that was well done

3457
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:16,000
that was not alex jones everybody that

3458
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:17,280
was micah

3459
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:20,320
hanks save your email it still tickles

3460
02:08:24,790 --> 02:08:22,639
me that somebody actually thought

3461
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:24,800
that alex jones called into your show

3462
02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:28,400
and that it was actually him

3463
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:31,119
oh man oh man you did this whole thing

3464
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,760
uh

3465
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:33,599
last time i i got to get back on the

3466
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:36,079
subject uh maybe ours but

3467
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:39,199
um you you did this whole thing

3468
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:43,199
about spying on us with our light bulbs

3469
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,239
right yeah all right and

3470
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,639
you probably remember that and i got

3471
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:50,000
emails again man they're doing

3472
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:53,119
it man yeah light bulbs i was like

3473
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:57,520
it was a joke you're just having fun

3474
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:59,040
yeah you know but but yeah that was

3475
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,719
funny

3476
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:02,480
now it's probably true now they probably

3477
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:10,550
oh man uh now now going back

3478
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:13,920
to what if um and

3479
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:17,119
this is a big what if but the uap

3480
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:19,840
task force report uh that you were

3481
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:21,679
speaking about earlier now the date is

3482
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:23,840
24th 25th i hope it doesn't get pushed

3483
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,159
back

3484
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:27,360
i i i hope it's there but there is a

3485
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:31,360
big chunk of this community

3486
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:33,119
and around the world that are expecting

3487
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,639
a whole lot to come out with this and i

3488
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:36,320
had said the other day

3489
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,920
um again equating uaps with ufos i even

3490
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:41,599
make that same mistake and i said over

3491
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:43,360
the weekend i was on a

3492
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:46,719
uh a podcast i was on a live stream

3493
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:49,199
uh with richard dolan and ah christina

3494
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:50,480
gomez

3495
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:54,159
uh yes was was part of it anyway

3496
02:09:58,069 --> 02:09:55,760
um and i had said there's not gonna be

3497
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:58,079
anything about uaps in this report well

3498
02:10:00,310 --> 02:10:00,000
what i meant to say was i shouldn't have

3499
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:00,320
said

3500
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:03,360
uaps because everybody's so acclimated

3501
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:04,880
to that term these days i should have

3502
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,280
said

3503
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:07,440
aliens right there's not going to be

3504
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:08,880
anything about aliens

3505
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:12,000
in in this report there are many that

3506
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:13,520
think that the disclosure disclosure's

3507
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:15,679
gonna happen this june

3508
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:18,079
very dangerous zone what do you think

3509
02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:20,320
the component is going to be in this

3510
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:22,639
if it is like these videos and these

3511
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:24,400
leaked documents and

3512
02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:28,079
uh the leaked images uh the batman

3513
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:31,040
balloon if that's what is going to be in

3514
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:32,159
this report

3515
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:34,000
then the report is going to be drone

3516
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:36,480
related that's what i think

3517
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:38,719
i'm still imagining my response in alex

3518
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,320
jones voice that's what's making this

3519
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:42,880
difficult for me jimmy

3520
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:46,079
but anyway the um there's a very good

3521
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:47,599
chance a lot of people are wondering if

3522
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:48,639
there's not going to be one of those

3523
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:51,199
good old-fashioned bait and switches

3524
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:52,800
where there's all this talk about the

3525
02:10:58,470 --> 02:10:55,040
navy investigating things the navy

3526
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:58,480
looking into what they term uap

3527
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:00,960
you know the possible attempt at

3528
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:02,719
rebranding ufos as

3529
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:05,840
uap and then all of a sudden look at all

3530
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,079
these drones we've been studying

3531
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:10,400
now you know i was on a show recently

3532
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:12,560
where the host had actually said

3533
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:15,280
i don't think that th this term threat

3534
02:11:17,669 --> 02:11:17,040
is a good thing to use in relation to

3535
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:17,679
these

3536
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:20,079
objects because there doesn't appear to

3537
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:22,480
be any kind of a distinctive

3538
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:24,079
threat that they represent or any real

3539
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:26,000
evidence that they are threatening

3540
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:27,760
and of course this basically being a

3541
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:29,360
reference to the advanced aerospace

3542
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:32,320
threat and identification program right

3543
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:34,239
but as we would have to point out again

3544
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:36,159
and i have done many times

3545
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:38,560
the whole thing about the atip program

3546
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:40,159
and the fact that it entailed

3547
02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:43,040
possible aerial threats does seem to

3548
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:44,800
indicate that first

3549
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:47,360
atip wasn't a ufo program it wasn't just

3550
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:49,520
looking at ufos it was looking at but

3551
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:51,760
you know again potential threats but

3552
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:54,239
under that umbrella ufos appear

3553
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:56,400
all right so it would not be a stretch

3554
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:58,079
to say that the uap task force is

3555
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:59,599
essentially doing the same thing that it

3556
02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,960
is looking at a variety of different

3557
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:02,159
potential

3558
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:04,239
aerial threats in fact i'm sure that is

3559
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:06,880
exactly what it's doing but see the ufo

3560
02:12:08,950 --> 02:12:07,920
people

3561
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:08,960
you mentioned there being like a

3562
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:11,119
distinction and mistaking uap for ufo

3563
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:12,079
and vice versa

3564
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:14,800
let's be clear ufos as they have always

3565
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:15,760
been referred to

3566
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:17,440
and that's you know and since the first

3567
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:19,040
introduction of that you know that term

3568
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,800
by rupelt back in the 50s

3569
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:23,040
and the idea of uap unidentified aerial

3570
02:12:25,270 --> 02:12:23,840
phenomena

3571
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:25,280
they are essentially the same because

3572
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:27,840
the same three words unidentified flying

3573
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:28,480
object

3574
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:32,159
i and i get that um what i

3575
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:35,840
am concerned with is uaps

3576
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:38,960
or ufos or uaps being

3577
02:12:44,229 --> 02:12:42,560
immediately extraterrestrial

3578
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:44,239
sure i know but you know again what you

3579
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:45,760
asking about the uap

3580
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:47,440
task force what it's looking at and what

3581
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:49,440
it may release

3582
02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:51,199
no i don't think that they are probably

3583
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:53,199
going to release information about

3584
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:55,840
you know even exotic ufos or uap as we

3585
02:12:59,510 --> 02:12:57,199
would term it

3586
02:13:01,350 --> 02:12:59,520
they could they could release some data

3587
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:01,360
about you know some aerial

3588
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:03,840
phenomena that cannot be identified but

3589
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:05,040
again that seems to be and

3590
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:06,639
i'm reading between the lines based on

3591
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:08,159
what marco rubio has said

3592
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:09,520
right in recent days when he's been

3593
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:11,440
asked about this he has said

3594
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:13,520
look i doubt that this report is going

3595
02:13:16,870 --> 02:13:14,639
to necessarily draw

3596
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:16,880
conclusions about what this stuff may

3597
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:18,079
represent

3598
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:19,280
but if there's anything that they do

3599
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:22,320
make conclusions about it will in almost

3600
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,239
i think in almost any case where they

3601
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:26,000
give us any definitive answers about

3602
02:13:28,470 --> 02:13:27,280
anything that they have been looking at

3603
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:28,480
the task force

3604
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:30,159
it will involve drones because those

3605
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:31,760
will probably be the only kinds of

3606
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:33,760
quote-unquote uap

3607
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:36,000
if we can even call those that that they

3608
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:37,760
will be able to identify the rest of it

3609
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:38,719
is going to remain

3610
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:40,480
indistinct it could be any number of

3611
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:41,840
things and i think that will be no

3612
02:13:44,149 --> 02:13:42,719
different than

3613
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:44,159
past attempts by the military to

3614
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:47,199
identify ufos

3615
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:50,719
i don't know if you caught uh marco

3616
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:51,599
rubio

3617
02:13:57,830 --> 02:13:54,639
uh being uh

3618
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,840
questioned by a tmz guy in an airport

3619
02:14:03,589 --> 02:13:59,360
this is a couple of weeks ago

3620
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:03,599
and i guess to say that the tmz guy

3621
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:06,639
pushed the extraterrestrial

3622
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:10,800
alien flying saucer issue directly at

3623
02:14:15,990 --> 02:14:13,840
a rubio probably three or four times

3624
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:16,000
he did and you saw what i'm talking

3625
02:14:19,750 --> 02:14:16,880
about right

3626
02:14:21,189 --> 02:14:19,760
now i got i'm gonna i'm gonna give uh

3627
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:21,199
rubio props

3628
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:24,800
he he went there he went there he went

3629
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:25,440
e.t

3630
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:29,280
a couple he went he was leaning

3631
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:33,040
e.t and that was fascinating to me

3632
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:33,440
because

3633
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:36,000
i don't think i've ever heard a sitting

3634
02:14:38,629 --> 02:14:36,480
u.s

3635
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:38,639
senator go that far and that's the

3636
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:40,159
second time

3637
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:43,040
that rubio has done this over the last

3638
02:14:46,629 --> 02:14:43,840
year

3639
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:46,639
where he has gone little green men he

3640
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:47,040
has

3641
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:51,040
asked about it

3642
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:53,520
pushed yeah when yeah and that guy was

3643
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:55,040
pushing but again let's also be clear

3644
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:55,760
the tmz

3645
02:14:59,189 --> 02:14:57,599
reporter who just based on what we saw

3646
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:59,199
in the video it appears that he randomly

3647
02:15:02,470 --> 02:15:00,639
ran into rubio in

3648
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:02,480
an airport it looks like and he just

3649
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:04,159
goes up and approaches him and rubio you

3650
02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:05,760
know seems to be a pretty nice guy he

3651
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:07,360
will stop and he will talk to people

3652
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:08,719
as evidenced by that video and he

3653
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:10,560
actually gives this guy five minutes of

3654
02:15:13,510 --> 02:15:11,599
his day without

3655
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:13,520
you know so that was kind of cool of him

3656
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:14,960
and yeah he did go there when pushed

3657
02:15:17,990 --> 02:15:16,639
about it but you know the tmz reporter

3658
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:18,000
also didn't seem to have a very

3659
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:19,440
comprehensive knowledge

3660
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:22,719
of the nuances of uap ufos what these

3661
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:23,920
things may be what they

3662
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:25,760
certainly are not and what you know our

3663
02:15:27,750 --> 02:15:27,360
best evidence indicates that they might

3664
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:27,760
be

3665
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:29,119
no he's just saying do you think that

3666
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,480
they're going to release the alien files

3667
02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:32,079
are you going to get information

3668
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:34,960
and so so rubio had to work with what he

3669
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:36,639
was given and in that instance he was

3670
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:39,360
given very little from the tmz guy sorry

3671
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,960
but you know in response to that

3672
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:42,800
reporter's questions yeah he absolutely

3673
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:43,760
did say

3674
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,880
i'm not saying that these things are

3675
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,800
necessarily aliens if they are i would

3676
02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:48,079
hope that they're friendly but again if

3677
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:49,599
these things and we can't identify them

3678
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,960
and they are over our military

3679
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:52,159
installations

3680
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:53,679
you know and he seems to be not only

3681
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:55,920
referencing he may be

3682
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:57,920
referencing more recent instances which

3683
02:16:00,629 --> 02:15:59,599
is very compelling but he seems to be

3684
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,639
talking about

3685
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:02,880
the long history of ufo sightings around

3686
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:04,320
military installations we've got to

3687
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:04,719
think

3688
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,880
you know back to you know minot you know

3689
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:09,040
the the the you know the minded incident

3690
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:09,360
and

3691
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,800
certain others also you know throughout

3692
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:12,400
the 1970s there were documents that were

3693
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,760
released i think from the

3694
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,280
i think it was the was it the national

3695
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:16,880
military command center

3696
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:19,920
i think but they didn't have ufos in the

3697
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:20,960
documents

3698
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:22,639
they referred to these things as mystery

3699
02:16:26,069 --> 02:16:24,560
helicopters in these documents and

3700
02:16:27,669 --> 02:16:26,079
a really great book that talks about

3701
02:16:29,109 --> 02:16:27,679
that and really

3702
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:29,119
outlining the research of the first

3703
02:16:32,709 --> 02:16:30,880
researchers who actually obtained those

3704
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,719
documents using freedom of information

3705
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,679
act requests

3706
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,599
it was larry fawcett and barry greenwood

3707
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:37,120
in their book it was first called clear

3708
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:38,399
intent but then it was later

3709
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:41,519
re-released as the ufo cover-up and they

3710
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:43,840
outline all of these very concerning

3711
02:16:47,190 --> 02:16:44,800
military

3712
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:47,200
base incidents where these objects show

3713
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:48,399
up they didn't know what to call them so

3714
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,840
they call them mystery helicopters but

3715
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,880
these things they said

3716
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:52,319
were able to outfox any of their

3717
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,920
aircraft but but they could hover and

3718
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,920
hence why they called them helicopters

3719
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:57,599
their lights would go out they would go

3720
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:58,800
out there to intercept and then they

3721
02:17:01,509 --> 02:17:00,000
wouldn't be able to find them

3722
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:01,519
and then the planes would go back to

3723
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:03,519
base and the thing would be there again

3724
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:06,479
you know so these kinds of incidents

3725
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,319
seem to be maybe not that specifically

3726
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:10,240
but those very kinds of incidents are

3727
02:17:13,910 --> 02:17:12,479
what rubio appears to be alluding to

3728
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:13,920
and he's saying if these things are in

3729
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:15,679
our airspace over our military

3730
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:17,840
facilities highly sensitive restricted

3731
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:19,200
areas and airspace

3732
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,719
and yet these things seem to come and go

3733
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:22,559
as they please we should

3734
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:23,760
you know be looking at this and we

3735
02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:25,280
should want to know what this actually

3736
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:26,080
represents

3737
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:28,160
but again coming back to the threat

3738
02:17:31,509 --> 02:17:29,599
thing the t word

3739
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:31,519
i don't think that they necessarily

3740
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:32,880
represent a threat or that there's

3741
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:34,319
information that they do

3742
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:35,920
but the threat potential of course is

3743
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,760
inherent by the by virtue of the way

3744
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:39,280
that they can just come and go like they

3745
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,000
pleased

3746
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:42,479
and seemingly as though or as if to say

3747
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:44,479
look whatever you've got the best you

3748
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:45,040
have

3749
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:48,160
it ain't nothing compared to what we got

3750
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:51,920
is is the threat narrative

3751
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:55,359
the only way to get the attention of

3752
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:58,559
the senate it might be in truth again i

3753
02:18:01,910 --> 02:17:59,599
think that the threat

3754
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,920
narrative has to do with programs like

3755
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:03,519
atip and the fact that they were more

3756
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:05,280
broadly looking at a variety of

3757
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:06,399
different potential

3758
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:09,280
aerial threats okay unidentified aerial

3759
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,000
threats

3760
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:13,040
some of which maybe even just a minority

3761
02:18:16,549 --> 02:18:14,160
could represent what we would

3762
02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:16,559
traditionally refer to as ufos

3763
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:18,160
within the context of what you or i

3764
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:19,920
would mean or our listeners here

3765
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:22,240
when we talk about ufos right but

3766
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:23,439
they're also looking at potential

3767
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:24,880
technologies being developed by

3768
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,040
adversary nations like russia china

3769
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:28,960
you know potential you know even you

3770
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:30,639
know possible domestic threats who knows

3771
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,160
i mean a variety of different different

3772
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:34,160
things aerial phenomena that might be

3773
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:36,080
natural that could nonetheless be

3774
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:38,639
a danger or a disruption to military

3775
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,359
activities

3776
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:40,639
you know any number of things that could

3777
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:42,080
be a potential threat were probably

3778
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:43,280
being looked at

3779
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,399
i think that's where the threat thing

3780
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:46,479
comes from but to your point is the best

3781
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,399
way to actually get

3782
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:50,639
lawmakers right yeah how do we get

3783
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,719
lawmakers to take this seriously yes

3784
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:55,040
we have to i think at times push the

3785
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:56,639
potential threat

3786
02:19:03,910 --> 02:19:00,399
and again the obvious threat potential

3787
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:03,920
inherent to the behavior of uap or ufos

3788
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,519
over the years and their activities over

3789
02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:07,439
military bases may be the very best way

3790
02:19:09,589 --> 02:19:08,240
to do that

3791
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:09,599
but i actually think that that is a

3792
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:11,519
threat potential i mean these things

3793
02:19:14,549 --> 02:19:12,960
whatever these things are they have very

3794
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,559
little regard for our most

3795
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:17,040
sensitive installations and our most

3796
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:18,479
developed weapon systems

3797
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:21,439
i don't i don't see that as a threat but

3798
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:23,519
uh we can agree to disagree on that

3799
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:25,280
point but let's take it a step further

3800
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:26,719
micah

3801
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:29,760
if if lou elizondo

3802
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:33,120
the alleged head of atip um uh

3803
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:35,920
that's uh a whole nother show but let's

3804
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:36,880
say

3805
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:39,920
lou is uh uh presenting in front of

3806
02:19:42,309 --> 02:19:41,359
congress in the senate he's on capitol

3807
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:42,319
hill and he says hey

3808
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:46,000
look uh they're

3809
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:49,120
coming and going as they please

3810
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:51,359
but they don't pose a threat they

3811
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:53,040
haven't shot anything down there's

3812
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:54,479
nothing aggressive

3813
02:19:57,670 --> 02:19:56,880
there is no threat to us that we can

3814
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:57,680
report

3815
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:01,680
to you then the whole situation stops

3816
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:03,120
right there in its tracks right the

3817
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,399
senate doesn't want to hear

3818
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:06,640
that the senate is not going to want to

3819
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,240
hear what do you mean

3820
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:11,680
there that no well i'm just saying

3821
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:15,040
uh they they've got peaceful intentions

3822
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:17,680
yeah they come and go as they please but

3823
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:19,200
but they're cool

3824
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:20,800
what hasn't the senate's not going to

3825
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,319
want to hear that

3826
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,479
well maybe they would actually you know

3827
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:25,920
they probably don't want

3828
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,640
to be told guys the potentially the most

3829
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:30,319
grave threat that humanity has ever

3830
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,160
faced a possible invasion by an

3831
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:34,000
intelligence with technology that far

3832
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:36,000
surpasses our best weapons

3833
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:37,280
that's probably what we're dealing with

3834
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:39,200
i doubt the senate's gonna go oh

3835
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:41,680
good tell me more you know they're gonna

3836
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:42,399
probably be like

3837
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,880
oh great okay now tell me more you know

3838
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:46,240
they probably do want to hear that there

3839
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:47,680
is no threat but again

3840
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,760
the most the most efficient way to get

3841
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:51,120
their attention is to present a

3842
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:52,399
potential threat

3843
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:53,600
and actually if we're talking about lou

3844
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,880
elizondo you know based on my

3845
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:56,000
interactions with him

3846
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:58,080
i think that lou would convey to senate

3847
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:59,600
that you know we need to treat this as a

3848
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:01,120
threat potential but there doesn't

3849
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,840
appear to be

3850
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:04,240
any overt threat indicated i'm sure he

3851
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:05,120
would say that

3852
02:21:09,110 --> 02:21:08,479
now uh i want to can i get you for

3853
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:09,120
overtime

3854
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:12,960
have to do this all right fine

3855
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:15,600
well but and i'm gonna tell you why in

3856
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:17,120
just a second

3857
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:21,280
i am uh going to

3858
02:21:24,870 --> 02:21:22,880
he's standing right behind me isn't he

3859
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:24,880
yeah yeah he is he's right there

3860
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:28,080
i am going to drop

3861
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:31,840
something into uh

3862
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:34,960
an image for you to check out let me

3863
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,520
let me pull it up i'm just i'm i'm

3864
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:39,439
moving things around on my drives

3865
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:42,880
here really quick okay and i

3866
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,920
think this is it let me use the

3867
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,200
encrypted channel

3868
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:49,600
and see this is the thing i'm i'm i'm

3869
02:21:53,030 --> 02:21:50,319
normally

3870
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:53,040
uh more professional and more prepared

3871
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,080
than this

3872
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:56,000
but let me let me see if this is the

3873
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:58,160
right yes this is the right image

3874
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:00,800
okay let me look at the clock yeah we're

3875
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:02,720
going to discuss this for the rest of

3876
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:03,520
the show

3877
02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:12,469
there you go i want you to open up that

3878
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,840
image

3879
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:15,840
okay is it in the encrypted channel i'm

3880
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:17,600
still waiting on it oh man

3881
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:21,120
jeez okay okay

3882
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:22,880
i want you to open that up don't don't

3883
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:25,280
say anything just yet

3884
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:28,399
but uh let me give you the background do

3885
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:31,200
you know what you're looking at

3886
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:34,080
i think i have a pretty good idea no no

3887
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:35,040
do you know

3888
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:38,160
the provenance of this image as it

3889
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:41,359
happened this weekend oh no i don't okay

3890
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:45,600
all right uh on sunday

3891
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:50,399
dr steven greer did a live stream

3892
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:53,760
and this image is up in our twitter feed

3893
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:54,720
right now

3894
02:23:01,830 --> 02:22:58,160
i am going to uh

3895
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:01,840
make sure that everybody sees this

3896
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:04,800
i'm going to do a quick retweet i want

3897
02:23:08,790 --> 02:23:05,680
to uh

3898
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:08,800
thank i i believe this was posted

3899
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:11,840
up by awakening man eric

3900
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:15,280
and now okay so here it is here okay

3901
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:18,319
let me retweet

3902
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:21,520
this so everybody can see this okay

3903
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:25,120
this is the image

3904
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:28,319
that images hold on these

3905
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:31,600
uh these are the cheese man

3906
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:37,990
okay see and this is i love doing this

3907
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:39,680
live on the air everybody

3908
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:44,840
that we are talking about

3909
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:46,560
okay

3910
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:53,910
grier as you look at these uh

3911
02:24:01,190 --> 02:23:57,120
images greer released

3912
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:01,200
the one on the left

3913
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:04,640
okay the white image i should say now

3914
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:08,560
um uh he had suggested that this is a

3915
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:10,880
photograph of a photograph

3916
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:13,520
first off this isn't the original number

3917
02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:15,520
one number two

3918
02:24:19,990 --> 02:24:17,680
uh he was thinking that the image was

3919
02:24:22,389 --> 02:24:20,000
taken around 1920

3920
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:22,399
um he's had several people look at it

3921
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:24,160
and it's the medical equipment it's the

3922
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:26,560
stuff and the thing and then the clothes

3923
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:30,080
uh 1920. all right now this

3924
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:31,840
and it's always danger zone you brought

3925
02:24:36,469 --> 02:24:33,280
up the roswell slide

3926
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:36,479
right you don't man if you're going to

3927
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:37,920
go and do this right and there's a lot

3928
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,920
of smart people out there not only in

3929
02:24:42,790 --> 02:24:41,600
the world but certainly in the world of

3930
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:42,800
ufology

3931
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:44,160
that are going to be able to pick this

3932
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:46,479
apart and do it very quickly

3933
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:50,080
the image on the right

3934
02:24:56,710 --> 02:24:53,120
was uh just released today um

3935
02:25:00,550 --> 02:24:56,720
some internet sleuths uh pull this up

3936
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:00,560
and uh now you can see

3937
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:04,000
uh another image now you can see the

3938
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,280
symbols that are written

3939
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:08,000
on everybody here where they're

3940
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:09,040
identifying

3941
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:11,280
the different uh gentlemen in the

3942
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:12,800
photograph that appear in both

3943
02:25:15,510 --> 02:25:14,000
photographs

3944
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:15,520
right so you see what's going on there

3945
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:17,359
micah i do yes

3946
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:19,680
you see the uh the green dot you see the

3947
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:20,960
right right and the

3948
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:25,040
the and it appears to be

3949
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,560
the same group of guys now going with

3950
02:25:33,349 --> 02:25:31,120
the picture on the left i'm not so sure

3951
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:33,359
that this is 1920.

3952
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,040
if you go to the picture on the right

3953
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:38,000
i'm going with uh the okay corral

3954
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:40,560
that kind of looks like that kind of

3955
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:41,280
looks like doc

3956
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:44,800
holliday um in that picture but uh

3957
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:46,560
i think that the picture may be much

3958
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:48,800
older than what he was thinking

3959
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:51,840
in 1920 but i want you to take a look at

3960
02:25:56,150 --> 02:25:52,800
these images

3961
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:56,160
and uh tell me what you may

3962
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:58,640
think you may or may not be seeing in

3963
02:26:01,990 --> 02:26:00,080
this do you think that that looks like

3964
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:02,000
an alien body

3965
02:26:05,349 --> 02:26:04,240
yeah so these are always a nice

3966
02:26:07,429 --> 02:26:05,359
rorschach test

3967
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:07,439
because anytime you go looking for

3968
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:09,120
something that you want to see

3969
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:11,760
you will tend to see it the photographs

3970
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:13,439
look to me like an autopsy being

3971
02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:15,439
performed yes but not an alien autopsy

3972
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:16,800
and in fact

3973
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:20,000
the the simplest and most likely

3974
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:22,160
explanation which is usually what a good

3975
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:23,840
skeptic would want to go toward

3976
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:25,520
would be that they appear to be a human

3977
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:27,439
body both in the left image

3978
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:29,359
although you can't make out the details

3979
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:31,280
of the human body as well

3980
02:26:33,910 --> 02:26:32,560
in that image but then the one on the

3981
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:33,920
right unequivocally that looks like a

3982
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:35,760
human being

3983
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:39,280
who again it's had a bad day

3984
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:41,680
had a very bad day let's say i had a

3985
02:26:45,750 --> 02:26:42,960
very bad day but yeah

3986
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:45,760
unequivocally human you know i wouldn't

3987
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:46,080
be

3988
02:26:49,429 --> 02:26:48,000
so certain necessarily i mean there are

3989
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:49,439
definitely a lot of similarities

3990
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:51,840
especially in terms of the clothing

3991
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:53,840
worn by both parties but again some of

3992
02:26:56,309 --> 02:26:54,880
the facial hair and other

3993
02:26:58,230 --> 02:26:56,319
characteristics don't appear to be

3994
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:58,240
perfect matches

3995
02:27:01,270 --> 02:27:00,479
i'll tell you how usually these i mean

3996
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:01,280
these days how

3997
02:27:04,870 --> 02:27:02,960
uh internet sleuths are able to find

3998
02:27:05,910 --> 02:27:04,880
these kind of things that wonderful

3999
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:05,920
little and so

4000
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:09,200
seldom used uh little trick that google

4001
02:27:12,230 --> 02:27:10,960
provides called google image search

4002
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:12,240
where you can literally

4003
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,520
right click on a image and just say

4004
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:18,000
you know show me or do a google image

4005
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:20,000
search for this image and you know

4006
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:21,840
it will actually pull up and populate

4007
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,840
similar images that appear online so

4008
02:27:28,550 --> 02:27:25,359
it's actually easy to find

4009
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:28,560
similar images like these in my opinion

4010
02:27:30,389 --> 02:27:28,960
though

4011
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:30,399
i don't see anything about this that

4012
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:32,479
makes it anything any more extraordinary

4013
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:33,920
than a period photograph

4014
02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:36,960
of a autopsy of some kind

4015
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:39,680
uh it's a it's a very i want you to look

4016
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:40,640
at it more

4017
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:41,920
during the break and we're going to come

4018
02:27:44,950 --> 02:27:44,479
back and talk about this there seems to

4019
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,960
be

4020
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:47,280
if you look at the image on the right

4021
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:48,000
and now i'm

4022
02:27:51,750 --> 02:27:50,000
i'm just seeing this for the first time

4023
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:51,760
everybody so

4024
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:55,040
uh like everybody else but the

4025
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:58,319
the leg looks like

4026
02:28:02,790 --> 02:28:01,280
it's there's three sections to the leg

4027
02:28:05,190 --> 02:28:02,800
there's another part of the leg that's

4028
02:28:06,950 --> 02:28:05,200
hanging down almost to the floor

4029
02:28:09,190 --> 02:28:06,960
i don't think that's his foot and if

4030
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:09,200
that's his foot his foot is the size

4031
02:28:16,710 --> 02:28:13,840
32 um that is pretty interesting

4032
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:16,720
um but there also looks like uh there's

4033
02:28:21,830 --> 02:28:18,800
a lot of uh

4034
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:21,840
biological debris tied to this uh could

4035
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:23,680
be

4036
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,200
we uh

4037
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:29,680
seaweed you know look at the top of the

4038
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:30,240
table

4039
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:33,439
over on the right and

4040
02:28:37,110 --> 02:28:35,359
look at the debris that's hanging off of

4041
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:37,120
the table it looks like it could be

4042
02:28:40,230 --> 02:28:38,560
seaweed

4043
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,240
or something like that maybe that's

4044
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:42,240
what's hanging off of the hands

4045
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:44,240
do you see that see the hand that's

4046
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:46,160
coming off of the table

4047
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:48,800
there's some weird debris there the guy

4048
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:49,600
on the right

4049
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:52,000
looks like mike ricksecker who we had on

4050
02:28:55,910 --> 02:28:53,680
the show last night i think that is a

4051
02:28:58,950 --> 02:28:55,920
mandela effect

4052
02:29:01,750 --> 02:28:58,960
mike rick sucker is a time traveler

4053
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,760
um but now if you go back these look

4054
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:03,920
like the same guys

4055
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:06,880
in both photographs but if you go back

4056
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:07,600
to the

4057
02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:10,160
other photograph where they're clean or

4058
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:11,120
dressed

4059
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:14,240
and things that's not the same

4060
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:17,520
person or same body that's on the table

4061
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,200
the one that's on the table on the right

4062
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:21,680
that's a skeleton

4063
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:24,960
the one on the left still has muscle

4064
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:26,080
tissue

4065
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,520
it doesn't look like it has a whole lot

4066
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:29,760
of skin but there

4067
02:29:35,830 --> 02:29:33,040
is muscle tissue and

4068
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:35,840
and and it's not a skeleton like the the

4069
02:29:39,429 --> 02:29:36,319
uh

4070
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:39,439
the body on the right right yeah it

4071
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:40,800
certainly looks like these

4072
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:43,680
uh could be the same individuals the

4073
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:44,560
individuals

4074
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:46,240
it does not necessarily look like the

4075
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,680
two photographs were taken at the same

4076
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:48,960
time and like you're saying it looks

4077
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:50,000
like a more traditional

4078
02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:52,640
autopsy on the left whereas it looks

4079
02:29:55,910 --> 02:29:54,319
like human skeletal remains on the right

4080
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:55,920
but in either case i would have to say

4081
02:29:58,870 --> 02:29:57,040
it's human now

4082
02:30:00,790 --> 02:29:58,880
again give me some context here if you

4083
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,800
can did dr greer

4084
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:02,840
come online and say that this is a

4085
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:04,960
purported uh alien autopsy no

4086
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:08,000
he did not he merely stated to everybody

4087
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,080
he wants everybody to look at this and

4088
02:30:14,230 --> 02:30:12,640
and let's do some research and see if we

4089
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:14,240
can identify the gentleman in the

4090
02:30:18,070 --> 02:30:14,800
photograph

4091
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:18,080
remember his was the image on the left

4092
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:21,280
that was dr greer's uh presentation

4093
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:22,080
yesterday

4094
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:24,319
the image on the right was pulled up off

4095
02:30:28,630 --> 02:30:25,359
of the net

4096
02:30:31,910 --> 02:30:28,640
today um

4097
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:31,920
so that's it no he never said uh i i

4098
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:33,840
don't believe he said

4099
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:37,120
this is alien no no i i i

4100
02:30:41,190 --> 02:30:38,720
i don't think anybody could go that far

4101
02:30:44,550 --> 02:30:41,200
i don't think after the roswell slides

4102
02:30:45,190 --> 02:30:44,560
i think anybody be reticent uh to go

4103
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:45,200
there

4104
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:47,200
well they should be of course and that

4105
02:30:51,349 --> 02:30:49,200
being a very tragic incident

4106
02:30:52,870 --> 02:30:51,359
uh on a lot of different levels one

4107
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:52,880
being of course the fact that we are

4108
02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:54,240
actually looking in the case of the

4109
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:55,600
roswell slides

4110
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:58,000
at the mummified remains of a indigenous

4111
02:31:00,790 --> 02:30:59,120
american child

4112
02:31:02,309 --> 02:31:00,800
right which at the time had actually

4113
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:02,319
been on display in a museum i don't

4114
02:31:05,110 --> 02:31:03,120
think that those

4115
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,120
probably under the nagpra act you know

4116
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:07,359
those were were repatriated

4117
02:31:11,830 --> 02:31:10,399
and would no longer be available uh in

4118
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:11,840
for public viewing

4119
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:13,920
uh due to the sensitivity of that issue

4120
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:15,439
and so that's one of the problems when

4121
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:16,000
people

4122
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:18,640
pull up these archival photographs that

4123
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,680
actually may

4124
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:21,920
depict human remains and in some cases

4125
02:31:25,110 --> 02:31:23,760
indigenous american remains

4126
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:25,120
you know and they're taken out of that

4127
02:31:30,790 --> 02:31:28,800
context it is a very sad situation

4128
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:30,800
for more reasons than one but of course

4129
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:31,920
one of those also

4130
02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:33,760
is the fact that it doesn't make ufo

4131
02:31:37,590 --> 02:31:34,960
researchers who

4132
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:37,600
promote these ideas look very good for

4133
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,960
promoting these kind of things and so i

4134
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:41,120
have to ask if dr greer was not saying

4135
02:31:43,750 --> 02:31:42,000
that this was an

4136
02:31:45,030 --> 02:31:43,760
alien autopsy why was he bringing

4137
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:45,040
attention to the photo and saying we

4138
02:31:49,510 --> 02:31:46,640
should be researching it

4139
02:31:50,150 --> 02:31:49,520
you know i mean that seems it seems hard

4140
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:50,160
for me to

4141
02:31:54,230 --> 02:31:52,000
imagine why else he would be saying

4142
02:31:55,830 --> 02:31:54,240
let's look at this

4143
02:31:57,510 --> 02:31:55,840
yeah i don't know i don't know let's

4144
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:57,520
take a break right here this is

4145
02:32:01,030 --> 02:32:00,319
uh fade to black i what i had said

4146
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:01,040
yesterday

4147
02:32:06,870 --> 02:32:04,800
uh micah was um there were a couple of

4148
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:06,880
interesting aspects to this image one

4149
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:09,200
the feet looked like

4150
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:11,520
three toes that's the image on the left

4151
02:32:14,870 --> 02:32:12,800
i blew it up and look at

4152
02:32:17,030 --> 02:32:14,880
looked at it i don't see anything e.t

4153
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:17,040
about it except for maybe that

4154
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:18,640
there's nothing pointing me in one

4155
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:20,080
direction or the other i think it's

4156
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human

4157
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:21,920
let's take our break right here i guess

4158
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tonight micah hanks we're going into

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4230
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4231
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:15,760
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

4232
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:17,439
jimmy church our guest tonight micah

4233
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:19,359
hanks

4234
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:25,439
the mica hank show hey michael uh uh

4235
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,560
what nights do you do your show

4236
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:30,880
well uh monday nights are when the show

4237
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:33,120
actually airs but you know these days

4238
02:36:36,469 --> 02:36:35,120
a lot of the time because of my crazy

4239
02:36:38,950 --> 02:36:36,479
schedule you gotta keep in mind i'm

4240
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:38,960
doing four podcasts now

4241
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:41,520
so it can be kind of all over the place

4242
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:43,680
but i mean yeah the show airs on mondays

4243
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:46,880
on kgra but uh

4244
02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:49,600
that is one of several programs that i

4245
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:50,240
produce

4246
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:53,600
right now uh and the one i have to admit

4247
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:55,359
that i'm having so much fun with these

4248
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:56,640
days is

4249
02:36:59,750 --> 02:36:59,359
sasquatch tracks it's dakota waddell and

4250
02:37:02,870 --> 02:36:59,760
jeff

4251
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:02,880
smith and i and we

4252
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:05,680
we interview mostly scientists and field

4253
02:37:10,070 --> 02:37:06,960
researchers who are

4254
02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:10,080
applying uh science towards sasquatch if

4255
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:10,399
it's

4256
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:12,880
civilian you know field researchers they

4257
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:14,399
are doing what we would

4258
02:37:18,070 --> 02:37:16,800
term citizen science i really think that

4259
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:18,080
there could be more that applied toward

4260
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:19,840
ufos too but really i think that that's

4261
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:20,319
a fun

4262
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:23,439
concept how the average joe can get

4263
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:25,439
involved in applying science toward

4264
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:28,319
potentially anomalous subjects so anyway

4265
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:29,840
yeah

4266
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:31,439
actually i want to stay right there and

4267
02:37:35,429 --> 02:37:33,120
this is overtime so

4268
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:35,439
i like to get a little loose i try to

4269
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:36,640
have some fun

4270
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:39,120
um and sasquatch is a great stuff what

4271
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:41,760
is what side of the fence are you on

4272
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:43,520
uh when it comes to bigfoot and

4273
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:44,800
sasquatch

4274
02:37:49,910 --> 02:37:48,560
you know i'm so glad you asked because

4275
02:37:51,349 --> 02:37:49,920
i wondered how i could steer the

4276
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:51,359
conversation in that way and it was

4277
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:53,359
easier than i ever expected

4278
02:37:58,150 --> 02:37:55,600
um you know as far as sasquatch goes

4279
02:38:00,950 --> 02:37:58,160
here's my take on this okay

4280
02:38:03,110 --> 02:38:00,960
i am very open to the possibility that

4281
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:03,120
these creatures actually do exist or did

4282
02:38:07,349 --> 02:38:04,479
exist

4283
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:07,359
however i also do not perceive sasquatch

4284
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:08,479
as this great big

4285
02:38:12,309 --> 02:38:11,840
mythical hairy ape kind of thing i see

4286
02:38:14,870 --> 02:38:12,319
that

4287
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:14,880
if these creatures exist as being no

4288
02:38:17,309 --> 02:38:16,080
different from other

4289
02:38:19,150 --> 02:38:17,319
known creatures in the

4290
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:19,160
paleoanthropological record like

4291
02:38:23,429 --> 02:38:21,920
giganopithicus you know when people say

4292
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:23,439
well this thing isn't in the fossil

4293
02:38:26,389 --> 02:38:25,200
record therefore it couldn't exist

4294
02:38:28,230 --> 02:38:26,399
there are a lot of problems with that

4295
02:38:29,150 --> 02:38:28,240
argument but again proponents have said

4296
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:29,160
for years

4297
02:38:35,030 --> 02:38:32,880
giganopithecus this asian megaphone

4298
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:35,040
ape that existed as recently as the last

4299
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:36,240
ice age

4300
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:38,479
is absolutely known in the in the fossil

4301
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:40,000
record now

4302
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,080
the other thing too is that you'll often

4303
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:44,800
hear skeptics say this about sasquatch

4304
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:46,479
they'll say people believe and those

4305
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:48,240
believers are die hard

4306
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:50,640
even though the story of bigfoot is

4307
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:53,040
based in a hoax that occurred in 1958 in

4308
02:38:58,550 --> 02:38:55,200
bluff creek california

4309
02:39:01,190 --> 02:38:58,560
here's the deal yes ray wallace

4310
02:39:03,429 --> 02:39:01,200
was part of a hoax that actually didn't

4311
02:39:05,429 --> 02:39:03,439
begin in 1958 there were reports of big

4312
02:39:07,110 --> 02:39:05,439
footprints turning up at job sites out

4313
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:07,120
in northern california

4314
02:39:10,630 --> 02:39:10,000
i think for a year before that and in

4315
02:39:12,550 --> 02:39:10,640
fact

4316
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:12,560
ray wallace's family came out later and

4317
02:39:17,030 --> 02:39:13,840
said

4318
02:39:20,070 --> 02:39:17,040
yeah our dad did that but he also had

4319
02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:20,080
been overheard as early as the 1960s

4320
02:39:23,429 --> 02:39:21,760
talking about this and a woman had

4321
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:23,439
actually contacted researcher ivan

4322
02:39:26,309 --> 02:39:24,000
sanderson

4323
02:39:27,750 --> 02:39:26,319
and said wallace and his brothers you

4324
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:27,760
know they used to stay at my hotel

4325
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:29,200
they'd sit right outside the window they

4326
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:30,720
were very fond of drinking beer at night

4327
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:32,160
and they talked about hoaxing those

4328
02:39:35,349 --> 02:39:32,960
footprints

4329
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:35,359
so a lot of researchers were very you

4330
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:37,520
know skeptical of his story early on

4331
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:40,160
what many skeptics today fail to pick up

4332
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:41,040
on

4333
02:39:44,710 --> 02:39:44,000
is the fact that you know there were of

4334
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:44,720
course

4335
02:39:48,230 --> 02:39:46,479
descriptions of creatures that we would

4336
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:48,240
identify as sasquatch today

4337
02:39:51,270 --> 02:39:50,160
well before that there was a book

4338
02:39:51,990 --> 02:39:51,280
written a few years ago called

4339
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:52,000
abominable

4340
02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:53,920
science by daniel loxton and donald

4341
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:55,840
prothero and you know there

4342
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:57,120
are some good things in that book but

4343
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:58,640
again this is one of those places jimmy

4344
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:00,160
where i have to absolutely

4345
02:40:05,750 --> 02:40:03,600
disagree with the skeptics because uh

4346
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:05,760
daniel loxton in his chapter on bigfoot

4347
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,040
says first of all

4348
02:40:11,750 --> 02:40:10,000
the hoax begins in 58 and the earliest

4349
02:40:13,990 --> 02:40:11,760
report that we can find of anything that

4350
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:14,000
resembled an ape-like creature

4351
02:40:19,269 --> 02:40:17,600
only appears in 1955 of all places it's

4352
02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:19,279
a location called mica mountain

4353
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:22,319
okay where a hunter named william rowe

4354
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:24,080
said that he observed a female sasquatch

4355
02:40:28,070 --> 02:40:26,240
but he says as far as i can tell

4356
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:28,080
no one even knows what william looked

4357
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:30,560
like we aren't even sure if this article

4358
02:40:35,269 --> 02:40:32,640
was ever published in the province

4359
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:35,279
like some researchers say that it was we

4360
02:40:38,630 --> 02:40:36,960
don't even know if this guy really

4361
02:40:40,469 --> 02:40:38,640
existed the only person that seems to

4362
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:40,479
have ever talked to him was john green

4363
02:40:44,550 --> 02:40:43,680
well so in the book they say they can't

4364
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:44,560
find the article

4365
02:40:49,349 --> 02:40:46,319
that appeared in the british columbian

4366
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:49,359
province newspaper that told the story

4367
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,120
even though john kirk a researcher told

4368
02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:53,359
them it was probably in the province

4369
02:40:57,429 --> 02:40:55,120
well i mean it took me about 10 minutes

4370
02:40:59,429 --> 02:40:57,439
on newspapers.com to find the article

4371
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:59,439
there's a photo of william rowe in the

4372
02:41:01,750 --> 02:41:00,880
article so yes we know what he looks

4373
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:01,760
like and i've found

4374
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:04,640
other photographs of him since then um

4375
02:41:07,910 --> 02:41:06,160
and the problem of course is that they

4376
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:07,920
say this is the earliest description of

4377
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:08,240
a

4378
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:19,760
reference john green describes the 1941

4379
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:20,479
incident

4380
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:24,479
also involving sasquatch

4381
02:41:28,630 --> 02:41:27,200
which explicitly describes a large hair

4382
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:28,640
covered creature

4383
02:41:32,309 --> 02:41:30,080
they try to say that the earlier

4384
02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:32,319
descriptions of sasquatch described by

4385
02:41:34,870 --> 02:41:32,960
uh

4386
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:34,880
the canadian well actually he was a he

4387
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:37,120
was a government agent who

4388
02:41:41,510 --> 02:41:39,840
lived among the um i guess the harrison

4389
02:41:42,309 --> 02:41:41,520
it was the harrison hot springs area i

4390
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:42,319
believe but anyway

4391
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,479
he was a irish-american uh canadian

4392
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:49,200
uh at the time writing for canadian

4393
02:41:52,389 --> 02:41:51,279
newspapers j.w burns who introduces the

4394
02:41:55,269 --> 02:41:52,399
word sasquatch

4395
02:41:57,349 --> 02:41:55,279
into the lexicon in 1929. they try to

4396
02:41:58,309 --> 02:41:57,359
say that he was describing large native

4397
02:41:59,750 --> 02:41:58,319
americans

4398
02:42:01,670 --> 02:41:59,760
you go back and you read the article

4399
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:01,680
from 29 and there are indeed

4400
02:42:04,389 --> 02:42:03,680
descriptions of the large ape-like

4401
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:04,399
creature

4402
02:42:08,870 --> 02:42:07,279
covered in hair like a bear so

4403
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:08,880
unfortunately those who have said that

4404
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:10,640
this is a modern phenomena that begins

4405
02:42:13,110 --> 02:42:11,600
in the 50s

4406
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:13,120
they really haven't read deeply enough

4407
02:42:18,550 --> 02:42:14,640
and if you go back you can go back

4408
02:42:20,870 --> 02:42:18,560
in in fact further than jw burns in 1929

4409
02:42:22,870 --> 02:42:20,880
1924 we had the ape canyon incident

4410
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:22,880
explicit descriptions of seven foot tall

4411
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:25,439
eight men seen at mount st helens so i

4412
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:26,479
think that there's a lot

4413
02:42:29,590 --> 02:42:28,720
more historical data that supports the

4414
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:29,600
idea

4415
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:31,200
that there is something to this the

4416
02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:33,040
confusion seems to be that people see

4417
02:42:37,030 --> 02:42:35,279
bigfoot and sasquatch's different things

4418
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:37,040
and then everything before that's just

4419
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:39,439
folklore but there's a whole heck of a

4420
02:42:42,550 --> 02:42:40,800
lot of folklore

4421
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,560
in the united states going back to at

4422
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:44,000
least the 19th century

4423
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:45,920
probably earlier and i've read the

4424
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:47,760
majority of it that i could find

4425
02:42:51,269 --> 02:42:49,760
that describes unequivocally large

4426
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:51,279
ape-like creatures so i think that you

4427
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:52,640
have to look at that history and say

4428
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:53,600
come on

4429
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:55,279
maybe there's more than just a hoax that

4430
02:43:00,389 --> 02:42:57,040
started in 58.

4431
02:43:02,070 --> 02:43:00,399
i'm i'm checking out the etymology of

4432
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:02,080
sasquatch and they're going

4433
02:43:09,670 --> 02:43:05,279
uh native

4434
02:43:12,550 --> 02:43:09,680
okay it's uh i can tell you and in fact

4435
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:12,560
hockey melon yeah that's a how come

4436
02:43:16,630 --> 02:43:13,840
hellum term

4437
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:16,640
susquets probably would be what it was

4438
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:18,160
we don't know exactly

4439
02:43:23,990 --> 02:43:22,000
that would probably be where j.w burns

4440
02:43:25,830 --> 02:43:24,000
first came across the idea and then he

4441
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:25,840
anglicizes that and when he goes to

4442
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:27,600
print with this in 1929 he uses

4443
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:28,720
sasquatch

4444
02:43:33,990 --> 02:43:32,080
but again this being a term that is

4445
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:34,000
etymologically similar to other things

4446
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:36,399
that we see in that region of the world

4447
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:39,600
pacific northwest pacific northwest yes

4448
02:43:42,950 --> 02:43:41,760
my friend hafa the other night she

4449
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:42,960
pointed out to me

4450
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:44,479
she may be listening right now in fact

4451
02:43:48,550 --> 02:43:47,200
hello down there well hello there but

4452
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:48,560
she voted out again you think about

4453
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:50,399
saskatchewan i mean there are obviously

4454
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:52,720
words that are very similar to sasquatch

4455
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:54,000
and that of course a name borrowed from

4456
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:55,920
a river in that region

4457
02:44:00,150 --> 02:43:58,319
so he may have combined words that he

4458
02:44:01,990 --> 02:44:00,160
was familiar with but yes we believe

4459
02:44:04,309 --> 02:44:02,000
that the word for the creature sasquatch

4460
02:44:06,550 --> 02:44:04,319
that is most similar is that halcamillum

4461
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:06,560
root word that he anglicized and that

4462
02:44:10,469 --> 02:44:08,160
was the first iteration that we know of

4463
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:10,479
in popular usage where an actual name

4464
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,920
was given to these things but there were

4465
02:44:14,150 --> 02:44:13,200
others that were used before that that

4466
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:14,160
appeared in print

4467
02:44:17,269 --> 02:44:15,760
again this is a we could do a whole show

4468
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:17,279
about this sometime man because i'm

4469
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:18,000
telling you

4470
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:19,600
i could take you down the rabbit hole on

4471
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:21,840
this subject no i want to go down the

4472
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:24,319
rabbit hole i enjoy this subject

4473
02:44:30,550 --> 02:44:27,600
um i have always been on the fence um

4474
02:44:32,309 --> 02:44:30,560
and my objections to it i don't want to

4475
02:44:35,510 --> 02:44:32,319
get into details and

4476
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:35,520
and blow a lot of wind here but um

4477
02:44:42,870 --> 02:44:39,200
i'm feeling today different than i did

4478
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:42,880
in the past i'm not so sure

4479
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:46,399
that it is like the panda and just

4480
02:44:49,990 --> 02:44:47,279
hiding out

4481
02:44:50,950 --> 02:44:50,000
and and and and we have to go out and

4482
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:50,960
fight you know and

4483
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:53,840
and certainly pandas were rediscovered

4484
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:54,160
and

4485
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:01,040
the comparisons but i'm i'm i'm going

4486
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:02,570
inter-dimensional

4487
02:45:07,510 --> 02:45:04,160
[Laughter]

4488
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:07,520
mike listen

4489
02:45:12,550 --> 02:45:10,479
i'm going up go ahead tell me there's a

4490
02:45:15,910 --> 02:45:12,560
reason why

4491
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:15,920
we haven't hit one with a car there's a

4492
02:45:20,469 --> 02:45:17,200
reason why

4493
02:45:21,190 --> 02:45:20,479
uh look i almost hit a deer the other

4494
02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:21,200
day

4495
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:24,080
ran out in front of my jeep right that

4496
02:45:28,389 --> 02:45:25,680
happens

4497
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:28,399
okay i get that yeah i haven't seen a

4498
02:45:31,830 --> 02:45:30,240
sasquatch run out in front of my car and

4499
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:31,840
try to avoid me

4500
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:35,760
or anybody else uh that has not happened

4501
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:38,880
we hit moose elk deer

4502
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:43,760
bears uh squirrels

4503
02:45:47,830 --> 02:45:46,240
feral cats it doesn't matter that kind

4504
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:47,840
of stuff happens all the time

4505
02:45:51,750 --> 02:45:49,840
why hasn't that happened that was always

4506
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:51,760
my concern were the bones where the

4507
02:45:56,710 --> 02:45:54,000
bodies were is this oh they bury them

4508
02:45:58,550 --> 02:45:56,720
okay well how come we haven't found a

4509
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:58,560
sasquatch grave

4510
02:46:02,870 --> 02:46:01,359
right we find human graves all the time

4511
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:02,880
i i

4512
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:06,960
don't understand that part unless

4513
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:10,160
we bring in something like

4514
02:46:13,429 --> 02:46:11,760
the possibility of this being

4515
02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:13,439
interdimensional

4516
02:46:19,030 --> 02:46:16,880
that i'm i'm i'm more okay with that

4517
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:19,040
than something that is hiding out in in

4518
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:20,960
the woods and avoiding humans

4519
02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:22,319
so you actually make some very good

4520
02:46:24,070 --> 02:46:23,760
points and i also want to be clear you

4521
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:24,080
know

4522
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,840
when i laughed when you said that i'm

4523
02:46:29,590 --> 02:46:27,439
not disparaging people who actually

4524
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,600
entertain this theory i'm not laughing

4525
02:46:33,110 --> 02:46:32,000
at alternative hypotheses very

4526
02:46:35,429 --> 02:46:33,120
open-minded

4527
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:35,439
conjectures at all i'm i'm only laughing

4528
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:36,960
at jimmy jimmy church

4529
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:41,680
that you're who i'm laughing at

4530
02:46:46,630 --> 02:46:44,160
fair enough fair enough but yeah i mean

4531
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:46,640
i'm i'm okay with going there it's crazy

4532
02:46:53,269 --> 02:46:49,680
stop it stop laughing at me

4533
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:53,279
i'm sorry but but i'm being serious for

4534
02:46:55,910 --> 02:46:54,319
a second

4535
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,920
i know you are and you raise some very

4536
02:46:58,630 --> 02:46:57,680
good points we have to be able to

4537
02:47:01,590 --> 02:46:58,640
account

4538
02:47:01,910 --> 02:47:01,600
for the lack of physical evidence and

4539
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:01,920
that

4540
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:05,680
is a real problem now paranormalists

4541
02:47:10,309 --> 02:47:08,640
although i now look i am actually all

4542
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:10,319
kidding aside again we're being serious

4543
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:10,880
now i

4544
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:14,160
am not in the paranormal camp on this i

4545
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:17,200
contend that if they exist we need to

4546
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:18,880
deal with the likelihood that first and

4547
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:20,160
foremost they are probably

4548
02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:23,920
a flesh and blood reality if they exist

4549
02:47:27,030 --> 02:47:25,359
they are a species

4550
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:27,040
they are like any other animal on earth

4551
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:29,279
but now here's the thing

4552
02:47:32,469 --> 02:47:31,439
the paranormalists we have to understand

4553
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:32,479
why they present

4554
02:47:36,230 --> 02:47:34,240
the alternative hypotheses which is

4555
02:47:38,550 --> 02:47:36,240
exactly like you outlined jimmy

4556
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:38,560
if we haven't got any physical evidence

4557
02:47:41,030 --> 02:47:40,319
but people continue to say that they see

4558
02:47:44,070 --> 02:47:41,040
these things

4559
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:44,080
might there be some other reason that we

4560
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:45,680
lack that physical evidence now the

4561
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:47,359
hardcore skeptic would say it's very

4562
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:48,720
simple why we don't have the evidence

4563
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:50,479
because the creatures don't exist

4564
02:47:54,309 --> 02:47:52,960
so i'm really actually somewhere more in

4565
02:47:56,150 --> 02:47:54,319
the middle although i would still put

4566
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:56,160
that in the biological camp

4567
02:48:00,230 --> 02:47:58,000
you know i'm skeptical enough that i

4568
02:48:02,790 --> 02:48:00,240
don't want to go full-blown paranormal

4569
02:48:03,269 --> 02:48:02,800
interdimensional you know species here

4570
02:48:07,349 --> 02:48:03,279
but

4571
02:48:09,910 --> 02:48:07,359
i also disagree with the idea that the

4572
02:48:10,469 --> 02:48:09,920
absence of evidence is as the saying

4573
02:48:13,990 --> 02:48:10,479
goes

4574
02:48:14,469 --> 02:48:14,000
evidence of absence right i have to say

4575
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:14,479
that we

4576
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:17,279
need to like you're saying understand

4577
02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:19,439
why there is so little physical data

4578
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:21,040
if there's more physical data than the

4579
02:48:24,790 --> 02:48:22,880
average scientist

4580
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:24,800
you know and skeptic would contend that

4581
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:26,720
there is then we need to

4582
02:48:29,750 --> 02:48:27,920
understand why they aren't paying

4583
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:29,760
attention to it if there is as little

4584
02:48:32,710 --> 02:48:31,279
evidence as there appears to be we need

4585
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:32,720
to understand why that is the case and

4586
02:48:36,950 --> 02:48:33,600
how these

4587
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:36,960
humans like they do unlike any other

4588
02:48:42,230 --> 02:48:38,800
animal species like you're saying

4589
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:42,240
if if the ufo community

4590
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:45,600
if uh ttsa

4591
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:48,960
had a piece of footage that was as

4592
02:48:55,830 --> 02:48:51,520
conclusive as the patterson gimlin

4593
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:55,840
film it would be ufo case closed

4594
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:58,080
we'd be right there and ttsa would still

4595
02:49:02,950 --> 02:48:59,840
be around

4596
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:02,960
but but but that being said that makes

4597
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:05,040
me a walking hypocrite

4598
02:49:09,190 --> 02:49:07,680
and i get that too because the

4599
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:09,200
patterson-gimlin film

4600
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:12,640
blows my mind i have analyzed it just

4601
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:14,960
like everybody else frame by frame and

4602
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:16,560
just looking at it

4603
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:18,560
and and i go back and think about planet

4604
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:20,800
of the apes which was done in the late

4605
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:21,600
60s

4606
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:23,279
and that was the best that hollywood

4607
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:25,040
could do right

4608
02:49:28,150 --> 02:49:26,560
and then you look at the patterson

4609
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:28,160
gimlin film and

4610
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:31,520
that that looks real to me i

4611
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:33,040
think that that is a real piece of

4612
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:34,720
footage i do

4613
02:49:39,670 --> 02:49:37,680
i do too and i used to be much more

4614
02:49:39,990 --> 02:49:39,680
skeptical about it because i had read

4615
02:49:42,389 --> 02:49:40,000
john

4616
02:49:43,429 --> 02:49:42,399
napier's analysis i remember that yeah

4617
02:49:46,790 --> 02:49:43,439
yeah

4618
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:46,800
of say but i had not said at that time

4619
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:48,800
let me be clear i had not said

4620
02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:51,520
i think that this is a hoax i had said

4621
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:52,479
based on what

4622
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:54,479
primatologists have to say about the

4623
02:49:59,590 --> 02:49:56,240
subject of the film

4624
02:50:00,469 --> 02:49:59,600
i can't necessarily endorse it as being

4625
02:50:02,469 --> 02:50:00,479
a real

4626
02:50:04,230 --> 02:50:02,479
you know actual species an actual

4627
02:50:06,230 --> 02:50:04,240
creature and

4628
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:06,240
there's not enough data therefore in the

4629
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:08,399
footage to convince primatologists

4630
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:10,399
so i had to say we will have to put this

4631
02:50:13,670 --> 02:50:12,479
footage aside and just say look

4632
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,680
you know it's never going to be the

4633
02:50:16,550 --> 02:50:15,359
smoking gun but you know in more recent

4634
02:50:17,990 --> 02:50:16,560
years

4635
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:18,000
having done those analyses like you're

4636
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:19,920
talking about having more importantly

4637
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:20,800
read

4638
02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:22,479
analyses produced by again there have

4639
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:24,160
been hollywood special effects

4640
02:50:29,830 --> 02:50:27,359
you know experts like you know bill muns

4641
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:29,840
there is that fantastic fotec report

4642
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:30,399
from the

4643
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:34,240
late 1990s where uh photometric analysis

4644
02:50:39,910 --> 02:50:34,800
of the

4645
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,920
photographic enhancement size

4646
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:41,520
comparisons all kinds of other things

4647
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:42,560
were done

4648
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:44,800
you know i read the fo-tech report by

4649
02:50:48,950 --> 02:50:46,960
glickman i also have talked with

4650
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,960
pretty extensively dr jeffrey meldrum

4651
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:50,479
about that footage

4652
02:50:55,990 --> 02:50:53,600
uh and i have to say that after

4653
02:50:57,429 --> 02:50:56,000
further review of all the data i now no

4654
02:50:57,990 --> 02:50:57,439
longer just say that well that photo

4655
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:58,000
will never

4656
02:51:02,150 --> 02:51:00,000
really be able to prove anything i now

4657
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:02,160
am of the mind that whatever is in that

4658
02:51:05,670 --> 02:51:04,160
in that film could not have easily been

4659
02:51:08,070 --> 02:51:05,680
hoaxed by

4660
02:51:09,110 --> 02:51:08,080
patterson and gimlin and even if it

4661
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:09,120
doesn't seem to

4662
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:12,000
fit what the expectations and this is

4663
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:12,479
key

4664
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:14,720
what the expectations of primatologists

4665
02:51:18,790 --> 02:51:15,840
would contend

4666
02:51:20,230 --> 02:51:18,800
a creature like that should look like it

4667
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:20,240
nonetheless to me

4668
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:22,240
appears to be something other than a guy

4669
02:51:24,950 --> 02:51:23,279
in a suit

4670
02:51:26,389 --> 02:51:24,960
based on the musculature based on the

4671
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:26,399
size the movement

4672
02:51:29,349 --> 02:51:27,680
and also certain behavioral

4673
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:29,359
characteristics you know i even think

4674
02:51:32,469 --> 02:51:31,200
about things like the albedo of the

4675
02:51:34,389 --> 02:51:32,479
hands and the feet

4676
02:51:35,990 --> 02:51:34,399
again the actual reflectiveness of the

4677
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:36,000
light off of the hands and the feet as

4678
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:37,840
can be seen in the film now dr meldrum

4679
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:39,120
would say

4680
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:40,960
the color of the feet is the exact same

4681
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:42,720
color of the sand there

4682
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:44,399
on bluff creek and i would say well sure

4683
02:51:49,269 --> 02:51:46,800
point taken but

4684
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:49,279
the film is slightly overexposed and we

4685
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:49,840
can't be

4686
02:51:53,429 --> 02:51:52,000
entirely certain that there is a perfect

4687
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:53,439
similarity in the color

4688
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:54,880
my question actually had to do with

4689
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:57,040
melanocyte distribution

4690
02:52:00,389 --> 02:51:59,040
on the hands and the feet and i raised

4691
02:52:03,349 --> 02:52:00,399
this point because you know again you

4692
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:03,359
often see even with extant ape species

4693
02:52:07,269 --> 02:52:04,560
non-human apes

4694
02:52:08,550 --> 02:52:07,279
right gorillas chimpanzees and whatnot

4695
02:52:10,309 --> 02:52:08,560
that they may have darker skin

4696
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:10,319
pigmentation on their face than other

4697
02:52:13,670 --> 02:52:12,160
parts of their body but the the palms of

4698
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:13,680
their hands and the soles of their feet

4699
02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:15,120
are lighter

4700
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:16,720
for this is because in primates the

4701
02:52:21,269 --> 02:52:18,560
melanocyte distribution is

4702
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:21,279
the least in that region of the body now

4703
02:52:24,389 --> 02:52:22,800
when patty lifts her foot and you can

4704
02:52:26,070 --> 02:52:24,399
see the bottom of her foot

4705
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:26,080
and at least a few instances when you

4706
02:52:29,269 --> 02:52:28,399
can see her hands there appears to be a

4707
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:29,279
lighter

4708
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:31,040
color and so i said to dr meldrum

4709
02:52:35,590 --> 02:52:33,840
respectfully maybe it's not just sand

4710
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:35,600
from bluff creek sticking to the bottom

4711
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:37,120
of her foot that we're seeing

4712
02:52:40,870 --> 02:52:39,680
maybe what we're seeing is actual

4713
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:40,880
lighter skin color

4714
02:52:44,469 --> 02:52:42,479
which would completely match what we

4715
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:44,479
would expect with various primates

4716
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:46,160
but another point too about the feet

4717
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:47,680
look you know people always talk about

4718
02:52:51,510 --> 02:52:48,399
the film

4719
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:51,520
to remember is that the subject left

4720
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:53,680
a track line that was clearly visible in

4721
02:52:57,510 --> 02:52:55,840
the sand at bluff creek roger patterson

4722
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:57,520
made castings there at the scene

4723
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:59,760
immediately after the film was made

4724
02:53:03,510 --> 02:53:01,439
shortly thereafter there were also

4725
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:03,520
photographs of the track line taken by a

4726
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:04,160
forest

4727
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:06,640
uh service worker named lyle laverty but

4728
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:07,920
we also had additional

4729
02:53:12,469 --> 02:53:11,040
castings made by bob titmus and you know

4730
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:12,479
again meldrum will be the first to point

4731
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:13,680
out to you that not only does he see

4732
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:15,760
what he thinks is a mid-tarsal break in

4733
02:53:19,110 --> 02:53:16,720
at least one of the

4734
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:19,120
patty castings but also there's toe

4735
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:20,319
displacement

4736
02:53:23,510 --> 02:53:21,840
change from different footprint to

4737
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:23,520
footprint he says it is

4738
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:26,000
obviously a dynamic foot not a wooden

4739
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:26,960
carving

4740
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,399
or some other kind of a false foot he

4741
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:29,920
says the toe displacement and all these

4742
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:31,920
other factors the mid-tarsal break

4743
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:33,760
not only is it a dynamic foot but he

4744
02:53:37,030 --> 02:53:35,520
says anatomically

4745
02:53:39,269 --> 02:53:37,040
it is consistent with other kinds of

4746
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:39,279
early human archaic ancestors that he

4747
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:40,240
has observed

4748
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:41,840
in the paleoanthropological record and

4749
02:53:45,910 --> 02:53:43,439
he says that there's no way

4750
02:53:48,150 --> 02:53:45,920
yet again that a couple of cowboys in

4751
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:48,160
1968 would have had any

4752
02:53:52,150 --> 02:53:50,399
knowledge of how to hoax a mid-tarsal

4753
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:52,160
break and the other elements of the

4754
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:53,120
dynamic foot

4755
02:53:57,030 --> 02:53:55,520
that they see there in the casting so

4756
02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:57,040
maybe even more so than the footage

4757
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:59,120
itself the footprints to me are like

4758
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:01,600
man if they could if they could fake

4759
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:02,880
that in 68

4760
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:05,200
those guys could have rivaled einstein

4761
02:54:07,429 --> 02:54:06,560
with their genius i mean that would that

4762
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:07,439
would have been

4763
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:09,680
seemingly impossible yeah i i totally

4764
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,800
agree and

4765
02:54:15,030 --> 02:54:13,120
the other part and and meldrum's

4766
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:15,040
breakdown of the film and i've i've done

4767
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:16,479
the same thing that you did i talked to

4768
02:54:22,230 --> 02:54:18,319
him about it extensively

4769
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:22,240
um that's all good it's my eyes

4770
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:24,880
i just depend on my eyes you know the

4771
02:54:28,630 --> 02:54:25,359
gate

4772
02:54:33,349 --> 02:54:28,640
the walk the physicality the appearance

4773
02:54:36,389 --> 02:54:33,359
and everything else looks real to me

4774
02:54:38,630 --> 02:54:36,399
yeah and if you go back to uh look at i

4775
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:38,640
hate to say this

4776
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:42,160
stanley kubrick is a perfectionist

4777
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:45,359
and he wanted real apes in 2001 right he

4778
02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:46,960
tried to

4779
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:49,840
now i get to laugh at you um well

4780
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:53,120
deserved well deserved and he

4781
02:54:57,990 --> 02:54:56,319
he uh he wanted to train apes right and

4782
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:58,000
he couldn't pull that off but he wanted

4783
02:55:00,790 --> 02:55:00,000
the most realistic thing possible so he

4784
02:55:04,309 --> 02:55:00,800
gets

4785
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:04,319
uh these uh stage performers and mimes

4786
02:55:11,990 --> 02:55:04,560
and

4787
02:55:15,110 --> 02:55:12,000
this micah

4788
02:55:18,269 --> 02:55:15,120
it's as accurate and amazing it's the

4789
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:18,279
best film ever made 2001 a space odyssey

4790
02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:21,600
perfection perfection

4791
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:23,200
but you know that those are dudes in the

4792
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:24,640
costume yeah right

4793
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:26,960
that's it don't mistake it no mistake

4794
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,840
it's my eye

4795
02:55:31,510 --> 02:55:29,439
you know and and you go back to that

4796
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:31,520
patterson gimlin film

4797
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:35,359
and i i am perplexed

4798
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:38,080
you know it should be a dude in a suit

4799
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:39,439
it should be

4800
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:42,960
doesn't look like it

4801
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:44,479
this is what frustrates me because we

4802
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:46,800
could have such a conversation just

4803
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:48,160
about that we haven't got the time right

4804
02:55:51,990 --> 02:55:49,439
now but look

4805
02:55:53,590 --> 02:55:52,000
i have to very briefly raise the the

4806
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:53,600
fact that people have said look we know

4807
02:55:57,190 --> 02:55:55,279
that that was a hoax and we know who was

4808
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:57,200
in the suit bob hieronimus the retired

4809
02:56:00,710 --> 02:55:58,000
pepsi cola

4810
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,720
bottler from yakima washington he came

4811
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,240
forward said it was him

4812
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:04,319
well the suit he described he said was

4813
02:56:08,630 --> 02:56:07,439
made of horsehide and he said it stunk

4814
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:08,640
and he said that it was kind of like a

4815
02:56:12,389 --> 02:56:10,720
big t-shirt on top and then drawstring

4816
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,399
pants on the bottom

4817
02:56:16,950 --> 02:56:14,720
all right i'm not seeing a great big

4818
02:56:19,269 --> 02:56:16,960
loose-fitting t-shirt

4819
02:56:20,309 --> 02:56:19,279
and drawstring pants in that video and

4820
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:20,319
he said gloves

4821
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:23,760
and you don't see gloves no you know

4822
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:26,479
i had bob on the show i i had bob on the

4823
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:27,040
show

4824
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:29,600
probably five years ago he never even

4825
02:56:33,269 --> 02:56:31,200
mentioned bigfoot

4826
02:56:34,870 --> 02:56:33,279
he never mentioned and we talked about

4827
02:56:37,349 --> 02:56:34,880
everything else in the sun

4828
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:37,359
but we didn't talk about that well you

4829
02:56:40,710 --> 02:56:38,560
know but here's the thing

4830
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:40,720
here's a hug you have bob bob hieronymus

4831
02:56:46,710 --> 02:56:43,439
that claimed to have worn the suit

4832
02:56:51,110 --> 02:56:46,720
uh yeah um and also had uh

4833
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:52,389
because there was a bob hieronymus who

4834
02:56:56,710 --> 02:56:54,240
also was a radio host

4835
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:56,720
wasn't that no okay no this was okay

4836
02:56:58,950 --> 02:56:57,520
okay well anyway

4837
02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:58,960
it's a bobber animus all right yeah just

4838
02:57:03,269 --> 02:57:00,640
making sure

4839
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:03,279
but now here's the thing phillip morris

4840
02:57:05,910 --> 02:57:04,720
the guy from he just passed away a

4841
02:57:07,510 --> 02:57:05,920
couple years ago but he was the guy from

4842
02:57:08,630 --> 02:57:07,520
here in north carolina who said that he

4843
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:08,640
sold

4844
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:11,520
paterson the suit i remember okay so he

4845
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:13,200
says that he made a suit

4846
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:14,960
but when he watched the film he said

4847
02:57:18,070 --> 02:57:16,640
well but you know the arms aren't right

4848
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:18,080
and the suit i sold in didn't have

4849
02:57:21,830 --> 02:57:19,840
breasts they added that

4850
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,840
the the face mask is different from the

4851
02:57:24,550 --> 02:57:24,080
one i sold in 2c he must have augmented

4852
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:24,560
it

4853
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:30,080
made of horsehide another guy saying

4854
02:57:33,269 --> 02:57:31,760
that's the suit i made but the suit i

4855
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:33,279
see in the film looks nothing nothing

4856
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:35,200
like the one i sold him

4857
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:38,160
none of the skeptical interpretations

4858
02:57:41,510 --> 02:57:39,680
seem to add up they all

4859
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:41,520
have their own take and none of those

4860
02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:43,200
they all conflict

4861
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:45,520
and so again when people have tried to

4862
02:57:48,630 --> 02:57:47,120
pour water on this and say it was a hoax

4863
02:57:50,550 --> 02:57:48,640
and we know who wore the suit i'm like

4864
02:57:51,990 --> 02:57:50,560
maybe actually you don't

4865
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:52,000
and let's not forget that when bob

4866
02:57:56,950 --> 02:57:54,240
hieronymus was actually suited up

4867
02:57:58,309 --> 02:57:56,960
on camera in the early 2000s i think and

4868
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:58,319
made to recreate this

4869
02:58:01,429 --> 02:58:00,160
at the actual bluff creek film site it

4870
02:58:06,430 --> 02:58:01,439
looked nothing like

4871
02:58:06,440 --> 02:58:17,110
[Music]

4872
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:18,950
yes i mean available remarkable and if

4873
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:20,640
that's a suit that that

4874
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:23,439
that's a tight-fitting arnold

4875
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:24,960
schwarzenegger

4876
02:58:27,990 --> 02:58:26,880
you know in that suit with rippling

4877
02:58:30,630 --> 02:58:28,000
muscles

4878
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:30,640
i just cannot at this point say that i

4879
02:58:34,630 --> 02:58:32,000
am convinced that that

4880
02:58:36,150 --> 02:58:34,640
is a suit again the technological not to

4881
02:58:37,190 --> 02:58:36,160
say that it couldn't have been done but

4882
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:37,200
it seems that it would

4883
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:38,960
have been incredibly difficult for

4884
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:40,319
patterson and gimlin

4885
02:58:43,750 --> 02:58:42,000
to have faked that with what few

4886
02:58:45,429 --> 02:58:43,760
resources they had

4887
02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:45,439
especially when you compare that to what

4888
02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:47,200
john chambers and others

4889
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:50,399
couldn't have achieved you know as

4890
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:53,120
as believably with planet of the apes or

4891
02:58:58,070 --> 02:58:54,960
in other films at that time yeah

4892
02:59:01,429 --> 02:58:58,080
2001 kubrick should have hired them he

4893
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:01,439
totally missed the boat hey micah

4894
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:03,279
a great conversation tonight man and

4895
02:59:07,110 --> 02:59:04,479
thank you for uh

4896
02:59:08,950 --> 02:59:07,120
going into overtime and uh i'm wondering

4897
02:59:11,349 --> 02:59:08,960
if i can apply

4898
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:11,359
uh over at the debrief because i would

4899
02:59:14,870 --> 02:59:12,560
like to go over there

4900
02:59:17,590 --> 02:59:14,880
and uh stir it up i would love to i'd

4901
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:17,600
love to go over there and chop some wood

4902
02:59:20,230 --> 02:59:18,960
you should definitely do that and i know

4903
02:59:21,910 --> 02:59:20,240
what i'm going to do when i come to

4904
02:59:24,469 --> 02:59:21,920
california next time you and i

4905
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:24,479
are going to have drinks yeah youtube

4906
02:59:27,670 --> 02:59:25,359
deep dive

4907
02:59:28,469 --> 02:59:27,680
in search of sasquatch i'll talk to you

4908
02:59:30,389 --> 02:59:28,479
man

4909
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:30,399
mike thank you so much my friend and

4910
02:59:33,830 --> 02:59:31,840
it's micah hanks.com

4911
02:59:35,750 --> 02:59:33,840
where can everybody get a hold of you

4912
02:59:37,510 --> 02:59:35,760
that's it mike hanks.com the email the

4913
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:37,520
social media all the podcasts everything

4914
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:39,120
can be found right there

4915
02:59:43,910 --> 02:59:42,080
and with that i've got five seconds to

4916
02:59:46,710 --> 02:59:43,920
hit this button right here

4917
02:59:47,190 --> 02:59:46,720
and roll credits micah thank you so much

4918
02:59:48,469 --> 02:59:47,200
man

4919
02:59:50,950 --> 02:59:48,479
have a great night thank you for the

4920
02:59:53,269 --> 02:59:50,960
overtime thank you for the conversation

4921
02:59:54,830 --> 02:59:53,279
the absolute best micah hanks right

4922
02:59:58,070 --> 02:59:54,840
there

4923
02:59:59,030 --> 02:59:58,080
oh wow what a great conversation tonight

4924
03:00:01,670 --> 02:59:59,040
what a great day

4925
03:00:02,550 --> 03:00:01,680
what a great way to end this show

4926
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:02,560
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4927
03:00:07,190 --> 03:00:05,359
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4928
03:00:08,950 --> 03:00:07,200
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4929
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4934
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4935
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4943
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4949
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4950
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4951
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